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Good question. ...7) Speaking of Epochs, some time before CY 998 we know the Epoch of Magic ends so that infers a source of some kind is used up, burnt out early, or barred. Knowledge of the Art could ...

If I wanted Greyhawk to be destroyed I would have followed the standard Gord novels route. After the Gord novels Gygax has not developed anything so you are free to do whatever you like with Greyhawk, ...

Assuming you take the Gord novels as canon--I know some folx do, and our group will draw from them occasionally if it makes a good story, but we don't tie the events in the novels too tightly into Gre ...

By the way, did you find the invulnerable coat of Arn inside Dark Druids?

I did, though you wouldn't recognize it for what it is Happy

+3 splint mail, SA invulnerable.

Theala

Whoah!!! Bra ...

And now that the location of the Dark Druids lair has been found, all that is left is to calculate the ideal time to run the module. Once the connection with Anthraxus is established, all you have to ...

That now makes so perfect sense, connecting to the Tharizdun reverential place of the lost Suss city.

Did you follow the link in PPP board regarding the location of Dark Druids lair that grodog pro ...

Mona interpreted Galap-Dreidel to be a Vaati.

It is really impressing you unearthed Procopius and Suetonius!!!

By the way, did you find the invulnerable coat of Arn inside Dark Druids?

Sorry I didn't see this post prior to you starting you game, Theala. IIRC, Rob talks about placement of DD in the Gnarley over on his boards, but the posts may have been nuked with the ezboard crashe ...

Oddly enough, gibberlings are present in two locations of the WoG '83 boxed set (Blackmoor and Suss Forest) that share a common attribute. (If memory serves well there is even a reference of the mons ...

Ineffable Variorum, which evidently has not been taken into account by the developers of Keoland and Vecna histories. Regarding the Variorum two different approaches transpire in order not to contradi ...

Having been invoked . . .

The Hand and the Eye are from Vecna, relics surviving from his body. While this might be left uncertain previously, it is rather effectively established by both Vecna's ap ...

actually EW states The eye may or may not have
originally belonged to Vecna...

Correct. cwslyclgh, could you please then join all your points to a full theory?

I wish Samwise would join the thr ...

There is this Nerull cleric in City of Hawks Gord novel, called Colvetis Pol, who in the story was ready to achieve lichdom and he was around 2 to 3 hundred years old. While reading the novel I pictur ...

Woesinger, what a nice idea the devoted Vecna cultrists to pull out their eye!!

cwslyclgh, you made some really interesting points.

I will return, as soon as I review the rules. Talk to you soon ...

Uhas of Neheli was first mentioned in Greyhawk Adventures and his Chronicle of Secret Times appeared first in Vecna Lives.

Thank you..(sad for my self)

May be Free-city-assassin is right. May be the whole situation is plotted. If we follow this line of thought, then the plot may have been set by Keoland's administrators or even the Silent Ones. We kn ...

Why not, the definition of the Mage of Power you provided is very good. It is in line with Oerth's fading magic concept, per the '83 boxed set. So once upon a time there exixted mages with greater pow ...

Anyone care to contribute to the subject? I thought Vecna's story was kinda hot Confused

I would like to thank Prochytes for his informative reply.

Then Rasgon, the commentaries by non-Vecna authors are in the event section of the Variorum, and possibly in the magical section (in Mulli ...

Ok I found it. The article may be found here [url=http://www.dracheninsel.de/dracheninsel/add/greyhawk/grimoires.htm]Greyhawk Grimoires.

Hi folks,

I stumbled on some old notes of mine on the Dragon Magazine #225 article on the spell books of Vecna, Iggwilv, and Acererak, by Robert S. Mullin.

At this particular moment I have no ac ...

Does Nyr Dyv mean Sea Deep?

If yes, is Nyr-ond connected to that? Does it make sense that Nyrond is Blue Land?

This is another context.

If you want to know more about the Iron DM, you should know more about the Iron Man. The Iron Man is a superset of the Iron DM, so you must trust him/her (the Iron Man). An ...

Said ancient dwarves colonized Lendore by clinging to the backs of elephants.

Is this yours?

So what are your ideas on how dwarves appeared in Sprindrift isles? Through underdark?

Or...they could have come in a boat with the human settlers or merchants. Dwur in general don't like the sea, ...

So what are your ideas on how dwarves appeared in Sprindrift isles? Through underdark?

Girls and guys,

Is it true that noniz means oerthling in Flan language?

That's reasonable, considering real-world halflings - homo floresiensis - were all confined to one island, and Tolkien's halflings didn't seem to exist outside the Shire.

Real world halflings? :s ...

Where is this reference on the demon-seeing elves, you mentioned earlier?

I made that up on the spot.

Not a bad idea at all. To me it makes good sense so far, especially if you go to the link ...

[quote="rasgon]The West. "Orient" means East.[/quote]

I did not know that either!

So, we have Occidental Dwarves, the Korobokuru, and Occidental Elves akin to the Drow!

The Occidental Elves s ...

Why should you be offended? You seem like though Sad

But it is not my fault, I did not know that the map was yours, and sorry if I offended you, Jared. Whosever would have been the map he/she shou ...

"Your pardon, girl, but I have met many elves and half-elven folk in my travels," Gord went on. "Even the dark-haired sort have fair skins. The elves of the west must indeed be of a unique sort, with ...

Well the map of this unknown to me French (?) guy you provided is far from canon, I am not negative to use it, but please convince me first.

Please try to refute the following arguments:

1. LGG, ...

I WANT to see demihumans elsewhere in the world; I just don't want to them to be cheap knock-offs of their equivalent human cultures, or clones of the Flanaess demihumans. As I've said before, I'm t ...

Evidently, demi-humans are original inhabitants of Flanaess! In ’83 WoG Guide, the A Brief History of Eastern Oerik section, p. 8, there exists text:

“…The success of the Oeridian domination of so ...

Cebrion was asking about the western Ogres, they are the Ogre Magi.

It's possible, of course, that their journey took them not only across worlds, but through time.

Yes that is a possibility. Also, real world historical research may be incomplete. Or time is not li ...

The name gypsy descents from Egyptian (some tribes claimed they came from a place called Little Egypt, and some of their leaders had the epithet Egyptian). No matter if Little Egypt is a part of Egypt ...

Also, Rasgon is amazing how much he knows Embarassed

If I read the migrations history correctly, the Oerid, Rhenne, all the demi-humans, and the humanoids were all immigrants to the Flanaess---therefore they must have all come from elsewhere. To me, th ...

It sounded like abyss was suggesting that he buy the Kenzer version (I'll also recommend the Al Q'adim version as well in Secrets of the Lamp, especially for the Dave Sutherland maps!).

Abyss, I'd ...

Also, I am pretty sure that if RJK had full control over the product, Rasgon would probably have different opinion.

Looking at Tzelios’ Greyhawk Content of the Coloring Album there is a reference to the City of Brass. I guess if TSR or a WotC put out a coloring book, it is arguable that there is some canon there. ...

Well eventually I would like to submit my farthest respect to Rasgon. Together with some other people of our community Rasgon has just proved in this thread his deep understanding in religion and Grey ...

There was a discussion in Greytalk a year ago, quite enlightening I think so, actually short of dispute between Rob Bastard and me. I tried to search the archives of Greytalk, but the link is off.

...

RJK deserves at least the same respect as the rest of Greyhawk fans. His Robilar take is more powerful than canon Robilar or Rich's story, since it includes canon Robilar.

I have to run now for lif ...

Rich, your story on Robilar, Rary, etc is a really good one. I do not see however how this conforms with the fact that Kuntz wants a good redeemed Robilar.

Also, when I compared you with Kuntz I w ...

However Zagyg was still a very powerful wizard and was able to construct the famous Castle GH where it was rumored these gods laid imprisoned. This method gives us an explanation of how Iuz had such a ...

I might be forced to steal the idea (well the Frnak part is an idead i already had some time ago...) and do my own version of Fnrak of the Jer of Men, being from Germany and all and my first name bein ...

Jer is Jewish, I do not know much though. I first thought it was something like a Czar or Tsar, but Mentzer corrected me that it is Jer like in Jeremiah I suppose. I am sorry I cannot help you more th ...

Tzelios, that was an interesting piece on the Temple and Iuz. It covers a portion of GH that I know very little about, and so I cannot say anything about how the article addresses inconsistencies. H ...

Thank you guys, I thank you deeply out my heart, you gave me more than necessary energy to continue.

Dear Canonfirers,

I would like to let you know that I will not be contributing anymore by my own volition. I am very tired to keep up trying to communicate with others in a level that gives me sati ...

I meant the personas in campaign...

I.e. Sage is a human lvl5 expert/sage from Greyhawk City late 4th century or something like that.

I gave you the reference for Sargen, full stats are in T1-4, ...

Search for the IP-addresses of the votes. Delglath did a conpiracy.

The article is in the Greyhawk Meta-Text Onomastics/superset style per the related canonfire! article by Tzelios and the New Approach to Canon GVD canonfire! thread.

A Murlynd Volume is in the form ...

I'm looking for a person who has some new ideas and plans for the OJ. I've actually had 4 people express interest in the position, including TZ.

If I was EiC I would have launched an experimental ...

There exist some I think 3 instances of EEG temples in canon. The one deep in ToEE is accessed though the elemental nodes. Did you check the ToEE article in OJ16?

What about Serten? I am sorry I am not fully functional..

Nell, I do not feel well, I did not sleep last night, I do not understand, forgive me.

I go sleep and will return stronger.

First of all, I believe the OJ Editor In-Chief position/job description should be announced, together with other vacant OJ editorial positions.

The present Editor In-Chief together with his assistant and MTG should go ask qualified individuals to undertake the responsibility. Then these individuals should accept the offer or not.

First of ...

Girls, Guys, and rest,

Why don't we check this case study I proposed, in order to case investigate the strengths of the approach?

Try the Elemental Evil article of the recently released OJ16. Th ...

But let me tell you, compared to Kuntz you are like a grain compared to a mountain, I do not know if there is an English proverb for that, I am not a native speaker.

I beg to differ.

Thanks ...

>Should we then try to create a superset of events that encompasses events in all home campaigns and those in canon? :)

Yes.

Granted, it would be impossible to incorporate everyone's take on Gr ...

Talking about this New Approach to Canon or the Superset Approach (a.k.a. Greyhawk Meta-Text Onomastics Aprroach, GMTO for short), an example of it is in the just released OJ16, the last article of th ...

>Should we then try to create a superset of events that encompasses >events in all home campaigns and those in canon? :)

Yes.

Granted, it would be impossible to incorporate everyone's take on G ...

GVD speaks some truths. You always improve, keep on doing that .

I am not opposed to trying to adapt Robilar's story into something closer to whatever Rob's version is, and in fact when the debate was raging on WotC forums, I offered a much more original and detail ...

Canon is a collection of events, a set whose elements are events. The Gygax-Kuntz campaign is again a set whose elements are events. The two sets may intersect or may be disjoint. A superset of events ...

By real Robilar I mean the true Robilar who is not a clone of published Robilar.

What is the problem if there is a clone of Robilar, named Robilar also? The clone suggestion of Kuntz does not discr ...

I don't mind the idea of messy cannon and contradicting histories at all, but I would avoid assigning a meta-text personage to every published author. IMO, the benefit isn't worth the damage such ...

Yet another example of why, IMO, Rob's opinions on canon have little weight in the discussions of current fans. How can we assign any real validity to his remembrance of the "true" setting when presen ...

That said, I personally dislike the idea of giving authors meta-text names, I mean really dislike. First, to me, it smells vaguely of author worship. Second, it always ends up favoring the "official" ...

Moreover, the point behind the Fiend Sage name is the mystery carried by the Fiend Sage pseudonym.

But a lot more importantly, the point behind the Fiend Sage alias is the volition of the Fiend Sag ...

I actually prefer Skreyn as The Fiend Sage is more a title than a name.

Even in that case that you view it as a title, it is still the canonic metanymic alias of Reynolds, since it appears in a pub ...

I estimate it will be released probably around after 2006..

just kidding:)

Sean K. Reynolds has identified himself as the mage Skreyn (his AOL signon) in the Bonds of Magic: Skreyn's Resister title. So, I think Skreyn would be another onamastic pseudonym for SKR.

I did n ...

Tzelios---I'm sorry to hear you've been down. Anything we can do to help? (Other than helping Rob and Gary get Castle Zagyg out the door faster ;) ).

You did it already:) I am going to compete i ...

It would be my honor to be the second author next to Scott Casper, but Scott is right.

Thanks Allan, I've watched it, it is a good movie.

What are the criteria for winning?

Just to throw in a couple of coppers, I think there's a pragmatism to accepting newer material as more official.

Yap, new material is more official, you are pragmatic indeed. However, even Mona put ...

That sounds good to me, GVD. I've always "weighted" canon chronologically; that is, EGG's initial work has the highest priority, and the newest fan-written material has the lowest. I have no problem ...

I've been thinking about "canon" changing over time with seemingly no rhyme or reason other than the author a) didn't check, b) didn't care or c) thought they had a better idea. If left at that, I th ...

I doubt that will happen Tzelios, my Ull theme is too well known now. I feel like M Night Shyamalan trying to pull off a new movie plot twist after having done it so often. Wink

I got to check t ...

Well then I will also compete Greyson:grin:

I am still alive and strong, nobody talks to me though in Greece. I do not know if it is the emanations of the underdark. I've just returned from the De ...

Abysslin and ForumFire,GVD

Forumfire is chatdemon, right?

Mortman,

Are you going to compete again? Well I guess if you are going to compete I will loose again:(

tz

Hi Greyson,

I have an article on the supreme enemy of Orders. But he does not do anything, he prefers not to act. I guess it wouldn't do, eh?

What should I do?

tz

In my campaign, Galap-Driedel belongs to one of the races that make up the mysterious "Cairn Builder" culture. Specifically, he is a vaati (Wind Duke of Aaqa) refugee from the Battle of Pesh, where th ...

The Carl Sargent who's picture is on the parapsychology looks very similar to the Carl Sargent photographed in some of the old WFRP supplements (it's the balding hair etc.) so I believe they are the s ...

I got reply from Paul. He is busy with the packaging of the items of this huge auction.

You will also have to forgive me because your name is entirely unfamiliar to me.

Man, you know Tzelios and you do not know Paul Stormberg ?!!?

By the way, what is it going on with the completion ...

Very interesting... So where did the cult originally come from?

Smile

Well, Zuggtmoy has worked at this Gnarley area through ages lost. There is this Dungeon adventure on the children of the ...

True enough that there's an error of temporal inversion, Prata, but it has no major effect. And beings like Iuz and Zuggie can get around in some fashion even when imprisoned.F

It makes sense that ...

The above paragraph completely complies with and explains in brief the “lost Temple of Elemental Evil” reference of T1-4, pp. 27. In conjunction with T1-4, pp.4, new potentially canon ma ...

Aloha Delglath,

What is exactly the nature of your comment, what part of our reasoning is the one that bothers you? Your statement on Gygax's interviews is a very general one that I cannot complete ...