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    Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:04 pm  
    Knights Protectors of the Great kingdom

    We know that the knights protectors of the Great Kingdom try to find a new heir for the kingdom, and this heir must be lawfull. Is there posibility to suport the king of Nyrond for this cause? Remember that the kings of Nyrond claims that they are from the blood line of Rax and in their title claim that they are Masters of the Aerdy.What if they suport this king and try to unite again the Great kindom? What is your opinion on this matter?
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    Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:38 pm  

    The stronger Rax blood within the Nyrondese royal line was a definite source of contention between Nyrond and Great Kingdom after all the House of Naelax were usurpers that came to the throne through force.

    However it was the succession of Nyrond that began to serious decline of the Great Kingdom and ultimately allowed the Naelax to become tyrants. Turning your back on your obligations and the ideals of the Great Kingdom should not endear the Nyrondese to the Knight Protectors.

    With the fall of Rauxes and the rise of several competing successor states the Knights I would guess shoukd be trying to gain their feet as it were. Wondering if a power base is possible and testing these states to see which is worthy of their support. When the knights offer their support the primary goals should be to end the chaos, restore order and reconcile the kingdom.
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    Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:49 pm  

    So a Nyrodese can not become knight protector...sad.
    But in Alhissa knights has no support from the Xavenier and in Northen kingdom there are ... evil or something...for this reason I think about Nyrond.
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    Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:13 pm  

    It makes sense that you would but remember Nyrond left the Great Kingdom a long time ago and has been the reason for a military alliance against the Great Kingdom (Golden League) that causes a lot of bitterness and few would view the Nyrondese as anything other then enemies. Rather then a cheering mob of citizens cheering a Nyrondese heir. I would argue it would be a much more realistic reaction to view such an event as a Nyrondese invasion.

    Nyrond is seen as a foreign nation and an often hostile one at that. So no the Nyrondese should not be able to become Knight Protectors of the Great Kingdom become they by definition are not subjects of the Great Kingdom. The knights are in a bind as the order can not prosper until the successor states get their act together and reform the Great Kingdom once again. Of course each successor state would be willing provided the others agree they should come out on top - imagine how likely that should be?

    It looks like the Knight Protectors are going to spend a long time in the politcal wilderness picking up the shattered pieces of the Great Kingdom.
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    Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:20 pm  

    Indeed. Tell ne that also pls, because I am a little confused, why the emperor of Nyrond call him self Suprime August and Masterheir of all Aerdy...this is the point of confusion they gone out of Aerdy and they claim that they are masters of Aerdy, do u have any information for this?
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    Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:52 pm  

    Rulers claim all sorts of titles, mainly due to political aspirations. Just look to the real world for plenty of examples.

    A Rax heir of Nyrondese bloodline is a possibility, though that assumes there is not a more direct Rax heir still living who escaped the purges of the Ivids, and who the Knight Protectors would rather support.
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    Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:50 am  

    Hmm, the 100 Year's War started when the english invaded France, intent on taking the throne. The english king (i forget which one it was, I think Henry II) was descended from the french royal line. That is the strongest real-world parallel that comes to mind.

    However, given the terrible state of affairs in the Great Kingdom, it may be possible that the Great Kingdom has permanently split. That is the tendency of empires. Then again, I think the Holy Roman Empire is a good real-world parallel.

    If the Nyrdondese king decides to invade, all the while calling himself King of Aerdy, he would have some legitimacy. It really depends on the political leanings of the aristocracy in Aerdy. It is a feudal kingdom where the peasants have little political say, so they probably won't care who is in charge, or who is fighting for lordship. It is likely that if the king of Nyrond promised better living conditions, reprieve from taxes, etc., then the populace would get behind him. A peasant army is fairly worthless next to a professional army, but it is an army nontheless and could prove worthwhile... but I digress.

    China during the 3 Kingdoms Periods is also a good parallel. In this case, if there is the political and cultural will, Aerdy can be reunited, and this may not be the case. It is possible that the disastrous reign of the Naelax could have caused an irreparable political fracture without any political will to bring the Great Kingdom back together.

    As I recall, there are survivors of the previous political dynasty still around, as described in Ividform. Personally, an invasion by Nyrond, or a dispossessed dynasty coming back to reclaim their throne could make for an intense campaign.

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    Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:11 pm  

    Indeed you pegged the real world example that immediately came to my mind. There are all kinds of ties between France and England:

    *William II(William the Conqueror)- King of England; Duke of Normandy

    *Eleanor of Acquitaine- Duchess of Acquitaine, Countess of Poitiers; married to/divorced from Loius VII; Marred to Henry II(Duke of the Normans, King of England); mother of Richard the Lionheart.

    That is just two such ties. It gets more convoluted, but strong ties to one area of a neighboring kingdom can very well put one in a very strong position in the line of royal succession. To that end, you make grandiose claims in the event that they could one day prove true. Perhaps that 3rd quadrant in the British Royal Arms will one day be replaced by a blue field with gold fleurs-de-lis. Wink (Veuillez ne pas me tuer mes amis.) Laughing

    So, for a legitimate claim, the Nyrondese have a good case, seeing as it is common knowledge that the rightful Rax heirs in the Great Kingdom were(supposedly) all hunted down and killed.

    Also, with regards to a Rax heir with more direct ties to the throne of the Great Kingdom, there has been a lot of talk about writing a Canonfire! adventure path featuring the Knight Protectors, a possible Rax heir, and the accouterments of Might. the AP would be suitably entitled "Scions of Might". Get out your red hot pokers and that may be enough to get PSmedger moving on the project. Razz
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    Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:39 pm  

    Yea something like that I imagine that gonna be make sence...hehe
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    Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:51 pm  

    Cebrion wrote:
    Indeed you pegged the real world example that immediately came to my mind. Therare all kinsof ties between France and England:

    *William II(William the Conqueror)- King of England; Duke of Normandy

    *Eleanor of Acquitaine- Duchess of Acquitaine, Countess of Poitiers; married to/divorced from Loius VII; Marred to Henry II(Duke of the Normans, King of England); mother of Richard the Lionheart.

    That is just two such ties. It gets more convoluted, but strong ties to one area of a neighboring kingdom can very well put one in a very strong position in the line of royal succession. To that end, you make grandiose claims in the event that they could one day prove true. Perhaps that 3rd quadrant in the British Royal Arms will one day be replaced by a blue field with gold fleurs-de-lis. ;) (Veuillez ne pas me tuer.) Laughing

    So, for a legitimate claim, the Nyrondese have a good case, seeing as it is common knowledge that the rightful Rax heirs in the Great Kingdom were(supposedly) all hunted down and killed.

    Also, with regards to a Rax heir with more direct ties to the throne of the Great Kingdom, there has been a lot of talk about writing a Canonfire! adventure path featuring the Knight Protectors, a possible Rax heir, and the accouterments of Might. the AP would be suitably entitled "Scions of Might". Get out your red hot pokers and that may be enough to get PSmedger moving on the project. Razz


    Check out Len Lakofkas ideas in his L4 module, this subject is actually covered at the end of the module.
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    Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:06 pm  

    Is the House of Nyrond (the junior branch of the House of Rax) still in power in Nyrond, or is Lynwerd a member of another dynasty altogether? The Book of Artifacts mentions that the House of Hyeric was once the ruling dynasty of Nyrond until a possessor of the Eye of Vecna caused its destruction. So did the House of Nyrond take control again, or are Lynwerd and Archibold part of a completely new dynasty?
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