[EltonJ]

I have Return to the Keep on the Borderlands and I plan to run it with my online group on the Paizo forums. The adventure sets the Keep and the Caves of Chaos in the Yeomanry. I was wondering if you have other ideas on where the Keep is located.

[jamesdglick]

I haven't bought the Return, yet. I hear a lot of it is problematic.

I put the keep just east of the meeting of the Jewel and the Handmaiden (just turn the map 90 degrees). The geography also fits in nicely with the Dungeon Magazine adventure "Wedding Bells"; just add the keep. ;)

I think Sir X has it in the Vesve.

[Raymond]

Kendall Keep is listed in Yeomanry on the maps found at:

https://ghmaps.net/

I think that's interesting because Gygax seems to have said he didn't consider it a Greyhawk-specific module yet he recommended placement by Pomarj. Sorry, I didn't record my source.

[JasonZavoda]

In my campaign the Keep is a standard template for borderland forts. In Geoff at least 3 were destroyed during the Giant invasions and one is such a haunted locale that it keeps reliving the week of its destruction over and over again. I pull out the Keep anywhere in hill or mountainous territory across the Flanaess

[vestcoat]

Russ Taylor's old "repair" article is required reading for Return to the Keep on the Borderlands:
https://web.archive.org/web/20051230043312/http://www.cmc.net:80/~rtaylor/greyhawk/repair.txt

Author John D. Rateliff went on record that he never intended it to be a GH adventure or knew WotC was going to brand it as such, which explains many of its problems fitting into GH.

RttKotB also ropes Quesqueton into the vicinity. Mike Carr intended Quesqueton for Rockegg Pass north of Tenh, not the Yeomanry. IMC, both B1 & B2 are there.

Of course, Ulek or the Pomarj are obvious choices for B2 and fans have long played the module before, during, or after Gygax's other intro scenario, T1. If you want a solid plotline to tie B2 to the ToEE, check out Kuntz' comments in WG8:
https://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47909&p=1121318#p1128482
The Temple stirs up humanoids in the Pomarj (including the Caves of Chaos), to raid Ulek and Celene and draw attention away from the North.

Note that the KotB GH novel is completely generic and only mentions two GH gods, no locations.

[Lanthorn]

I am planning to use this module in a future campaign and intend to place it off in the Cairn Hills in the border area between Greyhawk City and Duchy of Urnst, likely above the Mistmarsh, or just east of it, along the Urnst Trail.

-Lanthorn

[jamesdglick]

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[SirXaris]

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[EltonJ]

It's alright. The facebook group was also lively with suggestions as to where to put Return as well as B2. I guess Wizards had the adventure put into Greyhawk to stir up interest in Greyhawk.

[ragnar]

While I'm finishing up B1 with my new group in the rift Canyon, B2 seems like the perfect transition. However, I'm also going to take the keep and place it in the rift Canyon itself. The caves will be in a completely different place, and eventually the party will make it to the keep which has been completely overthrown and taken over by gnolls. In this version, their job will be to get rid of the gnolls and allow the keep to be resettled.

The return to the keep fussing to be a little odd, and I'm not really sure I like the caves. I'll probably use the original. I haven't decided yet, and I'll probably repopulate it with totally different things anyways. I just can't in good conscience put another helpless woman captive that turns out to be a Medusa in there!

[Raymond]

The topography doesn't seem right to have B1 where it's designated in the Return map. It makes more sense to me that somewhere on that map is a portal to B1. I like the idea of placing B1 where Ratik, Tenh, and Pale sort of meet.