Username Password
   or Create an Account
HomeForumsFAQArticlesReviewsDownloadsLinksTop 20Feedback
 Features
 
Greyhawk Wiki

 
Canonfire :: View topic - Indexing Sources, Greyhawk Journal
Indexing Sources, Greyhawk Journal

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Canonfire Forum Index -> World of Greyhawk Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Pan
Apprentice Greytalker


Joined: Dec 12, 2018
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:50 pm    Post subject: Indexing Sources, Greyhawk Journal Reply with quote

I hope this is a good place to pose this question. If not, feel free to direct me to the proper location.

I'm looking for any sort of location index that will contain sources such as the Greyhawk Journal articles and where ever else that maps such as Anna B Meyer's would list. For example, I was looking earlier for where Ob Noiqui was from and someone pointed me towards one of the Keoland adventures from the Greyhawk Journal. No amount of Googling came up with that answer and if it hadn't been for someone on here giving me their time, I never would have found it on my own.

Where do you all go to find the source of these locations? I have access to Greyhawk Journal articles/adventures but short of manually searching every one, I don't know how to find this information. I'd hate to keep posting a question here and annoying everyone each time I run across a location that Google is unfamiliar with.

Thanks!

-Pan-
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JasonZavoda
Encyclopedia Greyhawkaniac
Encyclopedia Greyhawkaniac


Joined: May 29, 2018
Posts: 47

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You needf someone who will go through this source material and create a detailed index. I did this up till 2003 but can't really do this kind of detail work anymore (due to failing eyesight)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vestcoat
Adept Greytalker


Joined: Jul 29, 2006
Posts: 421
Location: Dantredun, MN

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some software like PDF-XChange Viewer will crank through mountains of PDF's on your hard drive looking for keywords without opening them manually -- IF your PDF's are word searchable and someone did the text recognition properly.

After that, there's Zavoda's index, canonfire site search, the ever-moving/crashing GH wiki, google, and asking Anna Meyer directly.

Let go of all expectation and entitlement when using Anna's maps. It's a shame they don't have a companion index, but the fact that such works of art/research were ever made is a miracle. Everyone understood her maps were chock-full of apocrypha when they first came on the scene, but new players are increasingly using them as a primary reference without any official maps and getting confused.

It's also a good idea to start your own archives, use things like Evernote as you browse, and save content found on the social media abyss immediately as it's constantly buried and forgotten.

And you can join my crusade of pestering the admins to fix the forum search feature here at canonfire. There's decades of information that doesn't always turn up in google.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pan
Apprentice Greytalker


Joined: Dec 12, 2018
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is some extremely helpful advice, Vestcoat. I appreciate that very much. The copies of the Living Greyhawk Journals that I have aren't searchable, unfortunately. Although I have only tried it with Adobe's viewer. Perhaps other viewers would have better luck.

And as you mentioned, Google doesn't appear to always turn things up either. I'm guessing the text in these PDFs aren't able to be indexed by Google or something.

As I mentioned elsewhere, I'm coming back to Greyhawk and D&D in general after being away from RPGs for 25 years. A lot has changed since I last played, both with D&D (I'm jumping from 1e/2e to 5e) and Greyhawk (the Wars were still very new last time I played). Anna's maps are fantastic in so many ways. We have many more resources these days and I want to take advantage of them. However, as you say, I probably need to learn to let go of trying to find every iota of detail that has been put into the world and just go with my own stories. It's just difficult for me to do because I'm such a huge lore fiend. I want it all :)

Thanks again for your all's advice. At the very least I now know that there isn't some secret index somewhere that you all are pulling from. It's just a trickle here and there that folks happen to know and are gracious enough to share.

-Pan-
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
smillan_31
Grandmaster Greytalker


Joined: Nov 07, 2004
Posts: 1819
Location: Mt. Smolderac

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jason's index is the most comprehensive index available. If you don't have it you can download it here -- https://melkot.com/mechanics.html

Beyond that, asking old timers is the best way to find the really obscure stuff. It's kind of a pain for you but none of us mind. Myself, I like research challenges, and I know others do also. Another place to ask questions is the Canonfire! A Greyhawk Resource Facebook group, if you're on Facebook.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
vestcoat
Adept Greytalker


Joined: Jul 29, 2006
Posts: 421
Location: Dantredun, MN

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can't find word-searchable LGJ pdf's elsewhere, drivethrurpg now has a couple officially available.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pan
Apprentice Greytalker


Joined: Dec 12, 2018
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the link to that index but I have already downloaded a copy of that. I've started searching there before I turn to Google because he seems to have indexed nearly everything up until 2003 (or whatever year it was he made that). Unfortunately, I suspect a lot of the things I'm seeing on Anna's maps come from articles after that date.

I hate to bother folks on here with too many questions but it sounds as if you all don't mind. Since my current area of interest is somewhat small (southern Keoland), maybe I'll just make a list of the locations that I can't seem to find any information about and see what you all can tell me.

I'm in the process now of converting the Keoland LGJ PDFs that I have into Word docs which is allowing me to perform searches on them. If I continue to have problems I'll turn to DriveThruRPG and pick up copies there.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
grodog
CF Admin
CF Admin


Joined: Jun 29, 2001
Posts: 1279
Location: Wichita, KS, USA

PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Greyhawk Links page at http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh_links.html centralizes many (but by no means all) resources, including links to EchoHawk's Greyhawk collector's index.

Those will include pointers to top-level sources, rather than specific content indices within a source. That's where Jason's index is such a great resource.

One of the projects we're discussing for Greyhawk Online is a comprehensive metadata standard which will help with finding content within and across content sources.

Allan.
_________________
Allan Grohe (grodog@gmail.com)
http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/greyhawk.html
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website AIM Address
Kirt
Master Greytalker


Joined: Jan 05, 2002
Posts: 567
Location: Sky Island, So Cal

PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pan wrote:
Since my current area of interest is somewhat small (southern Keoland), maybe I'll just make a list of the locations that I can't seem to find any information about and see what you all can tell me.


In the campaign journals forum I have an ongoing description of a campaign I have set in the Sheldomar, with a party that started in Saltmarsh. Besides descriptions of the actual game play, I have DM Notes about where I am getting the background information from. This sometimes includes online sources, fanon, etc. There would be a lot of chaff for your wheat, but you might see where the party is at the moment and look for references if you are interested in the area.

http://www.canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=8700&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
_________________
My campaigns are multilayered tapestries upon which I texture themes and subject matter which, quite frankly, would simply be too strong for your hobbyist gamer.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mp7Ikko8SI
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pan
Apprentice Greytalker


Joined: Dec 12, 2018
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's excellent, Kirt. Thanks very much! My campaign is actually beginning with U1 as well. The characters are coming from Gradsul, Waverock, and Ob Nuiqui and meeting in Saltmarsh. Your info will undoubtedly come in handy for me.

It is places like Ob Nuiqui and Waverock (and others) that I've been attempting to locate information about. Thanks to someone on here, I've found info on Ob Nuiqui which fit perfectly with the background of one of the characters.

When I find time this weekend, I'll look through the references you all are mentioning. Thanks again.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Canonfire Forum Index -> World of Greyhawk Discussion All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

Jump to:  

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Canonfire phpBB2 theme by Jakob Persson (http://www.eddingschronicles.com).
Powered by phpBB © 2001 phpBB Group
All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Stone textures by Patty Herford
Ported for PHP-Nuke by nukemods.com
Forums ©


Canonfire! is a production of the Thursday Group in assocation with GREYtalk and Canonfire! Enterprises

Contact the Webmaster.  Long Live Spidasa!

PHP-Nuke Copyright © 2005 by Francisco Burzi. This is free software, and you may redistribute it under the GPL. PHP-Nuke comes with absolutely no warranty, for details, see the license.
Page Generation: 0.26 Seconds