Canonfire! Forums-viewtopic-Anna's Atlas of the Flanaess

Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:05 am

Ok a month is long enough for this thread to sit idle after Big C's housekeeping Wink

In case anyone hasn't noticed Anna has posted a high resolution version of the entire map for review here.
Here or Her Site
Here
*Edit* Forgot to forwarn all that this file is HUGE (1.47G) so it takes awhile. On her site there is also a condensed version as well.
DLG

Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:39 am

And everyone should remember that it is not the final version. Be sure to look for things that might be missing, and let Anna know about them if you find any.
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Fri Dec 13, 2013 7:48 pm

First, thank you so much Cebrion for holding my back and defending me Wink

So there are a ton of things to report Smile

First I have a finished map, that I have had some great help of no other than Darlene herself!

This is a 576 CY version 34x45 inches in size, and you canread all about it here: http://ghmaps.net/?p=1078

If you want to download high quality versions of my maps you can read about how here: http://ghmaps.net/?p=1091

The Big map is getting close to being finished, what is hopefully the last preview is being uploaded now. You can download a compressed PDF version 168MB here: http://ghmaps.net/special/FlanaessFullmap131212small.pdf

The online map will (if everything works out) be up again tomorrow. It can be found here: http://ghmaps.net/onlinemap/onlinemap.html

Again thank you all for your help over the years making this project possible! Smile

Anna

Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:59 am

Yay! A 576 CY map!

***Check your PMs too.***
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Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:36 pm

Wewp! 576CY! Thank you so much!

Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:10 pm

It took a while but here it is!

You can download a layered 171MB PDF here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/296601/Final_map_140116small.zip

Online and print quality versions will be available next week.

Thank you for all your support over the years, you made this project possible!

Anna

Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:13 pm

Yeehaw! Woohoo! Happy

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Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:18 pm

Thank you! Smile

Here is the map is 6 JPG pieces:

http://ghmaps.net/special/Final_map140116-part1.jpg

http://ghmaps.net/special/Final_map140116-part2.jpg

http://ghmaps.net/special/Final_map140116-part3.jpg

http://ghmaps.net/special/Final_map140116-part4.jpg

http://ghmaps.net/special/Final_map140116-part5.jpg

http://ghmaps.net/special/Final_map140116-part6.jpg

Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:48 am

With this monumental project done, I am wondering, what is up next for Anna? Other than a bit of rest that is. Happy

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Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:14 pm

Someone smart with years of experience of the RPG industry said that, "the reward for work well done, is more work" Smile

I have a couple of map commissions that I'm working on right now. Compared to the Flaness map they are small, and I'm glad that I don't have to research them!

My next big project is something that will eventually become bigger, much bigger in fact than the Flaness map. I'm working on a system of map tiles for dungeon, wilderness and town maps. It is a commercial project for both digital and print use, and I will present it in detail later this year.

Here is a promotional image I made to show off my skills:

A high resolution version can be found here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/296601/Promo1_1.jpg

Then there is the Atlas version of the Flanaess, and how about hexes? Smile

I'm working on that too on the side.

Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:26 pm

Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:12 pm

It would also seem congrats are in order for the Demi-Goddess of Cartography

Certainly well Deserved!!! Happy

2014 Ennie Nominations

Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:14 pm

Its only a submission, but who knows Smile

But thank you!

Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:46 pm

Hex layers are always good, and I am glad to hear that you have other projects. You could always do battle mats, floor plans for town buildings, dungeons, ships, etc. There are a few decent ones out there, but it is not like one can have too many of them. Happy

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Thu May 01, 2014 10:47 am

On the question of what constitutes "canon" for the map, and on the principal that Anna's maps are a never-ending work in progress...

Always in search of new Flaneass canon, I took a look at this:

http://www.greyhawkonline.com/grodog/gh_dungeon_adventures.html

...and bought Dungeon #89. As grodog suggests, "Wedding Bells" is a Greyhawk adventure in all but name. The geography is a dead ringer for the meeting of the Jewel and Handmaiden Rivers. It's set on the east side of the rivers, in an area described as a buffer zone for an Elven land [obviously Celene], and the wedding is supposed to take place on Freeday, 7th of Goodmonth [ Wink

]. My only reservation is that the area is shown as being more populated than I allowed for, but YMMV.

FWIW, I'm going to integrate the information into my campaign. IMC, that area is currently at Readyreat, 578. This will give me time to have all these hamlets and thorps get settled! Since there is no mention of a recent attack, and no sign of one, I assume that the adventure occurs in Goodmonth, 583, before the Pomarj invasion. Of course, its possible that Turrosh Mak's guys didn't make it to that area, although I always assumed that they at least tried. Again, I might simply have to modify "the future." Laughing

So, I'd argue that this may be canon, but not for a 576 map.

Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:03 pm Greyhawk Population figures

I just thought I'd post this here, in order to avoid making a new and likely unnecessary thread. Has anyone done much work on the populations of Greyhawk's countries. I've figured out the square area of various countries, then used the Doomsday Book to get population figures and such. Boy does it NOT come out anywhere near the same!

I figured a thread was already here, for something as obvious as this, but for the life of me I couldn't find one. Any help would be appreciated. :)

Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:20 pm Congratulations!

Congratulations on the Ennie nomination (see http://www.ennie-awards.com/blog/2014-ennie-awards-nominees)!

Mon Jul 14, 2014 9:19 pm Re: Greyhawk Population figures

Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:40 am

Looking at Anna Meyer's map (http://ghmaps.net/onlinemap/onlinemap.html) where the Yeomanry, Hool Marshes and Keoland meet, there are a couple of places where I couldn't find any information about them: Parlfray's Keep and Sirister's Tower.

Any ideas where they come from?
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Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:36 pm

Good question carlanco!

Parlfray's keep is from "Night Below". The Yeomanry League placed it on their LG campaign map.

Serister's Keep has its origin from LG adventures as well. The Lamia "Kjali the Cunning" was once enslaved by a local pyromancer, named Serister, and was held in stasis for some three hundred years after he was killed by Keoish forces. I liked the story and decided to give the Pyromancer a tower. So the tower and its placement is of my origin, but he name is from the LG campaign.

Anna

Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:34 am

Thanks Anna!
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Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:20 am

Hi Everyone!

I have made a zip file with all the heraldry from my map: http://ghmaps.net/heraldry/

It also includes a number of my own design so keep and use the ones you like!

Anna

Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:22 pm

Sat May 02, 2015 3:15 am

Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:31 am

New downloads page for the massive map, and all of the smaller maps: http://ghmaps.net/greyhawk-maps/flaness-map-download/
Cool

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Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:43 pm I got lucky on ebay

I bought the 2 books from the Greyawk box set on ebay last week for $15.99, and they arrived today. And to my surprise inside the books were both original maps of the Flanaess in pretty much perfect condition ( really high quality folded into squares ), also were 2 giant maps in hex grid of Ravenscrag Castle and the surrounding area's. Any Idea what the maps of Ravenscrag Castle by Derek C. Watson pertain to?

Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:59 am

Sorry, not a clue . . . and Google didn't help. Sad

Unless it's the real world castle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravenscraig_Castle

Might I suggest you cast "Summon Rasgon?" Wink

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Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:29 pm

Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:35 pm

Interesting, must be on page "X" of a Google search. I'll have to try again.
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Thu Jul 14, 2016 2:04 pm

Ravenscrag was a Judges Guild Module

Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:04 pm

Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:03 am

Does anyone know where the ripper mines in Bone March come from?

Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:46 am

Anyone know where Geshtai's Spring or Fool's Rest are in the Bright Desert? Or is still a "secret" (i.e., up to the DM)?

Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:22 am

James,
Might try Dungeon #98 seems like thee was a bright desert article there, but not sure if it is mentioned... but there is a good detail map.

Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:23 am

@ Sander, I'll sk Anna when I see her this week.it may be part of her private campaign set in that same area.....

Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:40 am

Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:47 pm

Does anyone know where most of the places in the Duchy of Ulek come from? Specifically Winterdorf, Barleyton, Weaverton, Hurstwerks Keep, Hoch Dunglorin?

Google, Encyclopedia Greyhawkania, Oerth Journal, and my Living Greyhawk modules have been no help.

Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:46 pm

Anna Map News
http://www.canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=71374#71374

Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:44 pm

Not Exactly Greyhawk News.... but does show us what the Demi-Goddess of Cartography has been up to of late.
The World of Midgard....
http://midgardmap.koboldpress.com/

It does however give us an idea of her expanding talents and a glimpse at things to come with her new Greyhawk Adventures as seen on her patron account.
https://www.patreon.com/annabmeyer/posts
For any that have been following her patron site, you can see her new banner inspired by the Lendore Isles coming to life as never before....

I for one am excited to see where Greyhawk goes in her and Darlene's combined efforts
Cool

Thanks to Kobold Press for sharing the news.

DLG

Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:36 am

About a day ago Anna posted in the Canonfire! Facebook Group that she will updating this thread soon!

Link to the FB Group thread she posted in...
https://www.facebook.com/groups/145589585501508/permalink/1737714096289041/

I look forward to her Greyhawk Maps 2.0 project she is about to begin. She wants to test some new tools and learn some new skills. We all get to be beneficiaries of that effort.

Sun May 13, 2018 11:18 am Yeomanry - Singleton and Fort Thomas

Anyone know the sources for Fort Thomas and Singleton at the base of the Jotens in the Yeomanry?

I found nothing in the Living Greyhawk Player's Guide to the Yeomany

Singleton popped up on fan site

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/flanaess/outlying-areas-of-the-yeomanry-f87/index-s25.html

but I cannot tell if that is original or derivitive.
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Tue May 15, 2018 10:55 pm

Twenty years ago I started mapping the World of Greyhawk for my own campaign, and then decided to share my work on the then emerging Internet. The rest is an history most of you who read this already know about so instead of looking backwards I’m going to try and look forward. I’ve decided to start all over again. Yes I mean starting all over again with mapping the Flanaess, and its surroundings. What on Oerth can make me come to this conclusion?

I want to do this again for three different reasons. The first one is that I know have the experience needed to do it properly. Second, technology is now beginning to be powerful enough to make it possible to do it right. Thirdly I’m so passionate about it that when I see a way to make a much better job I just have to do it!

It took me more than five years of full time work last time, and to remake it the way I want to is not going to much easier. My estimate for this is for it to take around 5 years of work. How long that will actually take depends on how much time I can devote to it. If I do this as a hobby like last time it will be a decade or so. Thankfully there is a way for you to make it possible for me to devote more time to it, support my Patreon. With a little bit more support mapping the world of Greyhawk will be an ongoing project that I can treat as an commissioned project, with more support it can be my major project or maybe even a full time undertaking. We will see how that develop, it will be my hobby and passion anyway, and also be a big part of my research and development. so I will work on one way or the other.

So what are goals this time around?

Full elevation model with increased detail to 100/pixel. Enough to make it useful for outdoor adventures by visualizing what an area actually looks like. This can also serve as a solid base for city and encounter maps to be developed that will match the surrounding terrain. Below is an example of the difference in resolution and a proper elevation model.

Global Precision, the Flanaess needs to be accurately placed this time to make it possible to expand the project to cover other parts of Oerth as well.

Meta data part of the project from the start. I want to make use of modern GIS (Geographical Information System) standards to make it possible to keep track of things and form a base for better forms of presentation and varied use.

Presentation and format needs to be a major focus for this project. The current map is only top down in two formats, JPG and PDF. Next time the data needs to be usable in many more ways. I envision things like game engines, GIS tools, RPG campaign tools like Realm Works, webb based maps and more.

To go along with the data should be a set of graphical symbols 2D and 3D, graphical elements fonts and more specially designed to present the World of Greyhawk at its finest.

All my Greyhawk content have been free to download and published under the Creative Commons -by -nc license. This going to be the case going forward as well. If Wizard of the Coast changing their stance of Greyhawk fan created content, I might have to look into what they offer, but that is only hypothetical and my guess is that it will remain so for the foreseeable future. Creative Commons -by -nc, gives you the permission to use, alter and share the content for non commercial purposes as long as the source is indicated.

The main goal with this is that whatever comes out of this should be used by Greyhawk fans and others as much as possible and serve as a platform for anyone who wants to run games set in Greyhawk. That means that it needs to be accessible, modifiable and sharable.

How to try and tackle this huge undertaking?

I’m in the planning stage right now, and there are several bits and pieces that needs to fall in place before actual work can begin. This is what most of this year will be occupied with. 2018 revision of the existing map will be more thorough than previous years to make it more compatible with the future content. This is important since it will be years until all of it can be replaced with a new version, so the old have to live side by side with the new as good as possible. My existing map is also my main guide when mapping it again, and we want as good of a guide as possible.

The Oerth Geo Referencing project is what I will call my effort to try and place the Flanaess properly on Oerth. I will try and use all the data from Greyhawk canon sources as well as some of the great pieces written on the topic and try and implement them using GIS tools.

In order to set both standards and work-flow small test areas needs to be mapped. The first one out is the Lendore Isles. Islands are good pilot areas since they are separate from the mainland and can more easily be imported and merged with future content.

These three parts will probably keep me busy this year, and if there are time over there are always interesting tidbits to dig into. things like city sketches, heraldry and touch up other old stuff hidden in various places…

If you want to join me on this journey please consider supporting my Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/annabmeyer

I'll look into Fort Thomas and Singleton Kirt

Tue May 15, 2018 11:06 pm

Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:19 pm Anna's site?

All formerly separate map links now redirect to a single, low resolution, map of the continent.

Does anyone know what gives?

Is this preparation for an unveiling, or has Anna decided to restrict access to her work?

Or is there just a temporary server error?

Update: Her Patreon Page has a post today saying "Website Trouble". That is the most relieved I have ever been to read those words!

Best wishes for a speedy recovery!
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Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:50 pm

Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:11 am

Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:03 pm

Yeah, no joke!

I love accessing her maps. They have become an utterly integral part of my campaigns. I hope this issue gets rectified soon. I am sure my campaigns would suffer greatly otherwise...

-Lanthorn, paying homage

Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:45 am

Of all the resources I have used, none come close to her maps. They are one of the cornerstones of my campaigns as well.

Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:32 am The Dark Lord Returns

Hail GH'ers.... my apologies for my long absence, but recent events left me in ICU for 10 days and I am in slow recovery mode....

But as the "semi-un-official herald" of the demigoddess of all that is Greyhawk... I'M BACK...

And with that Anna has totally revamped her website including all that GH support and even improved and updated maps now located here>

https://www.annabmeyer.com/greyhawk-maps/

Best regards GH'ers...
and as we all know editions change by Greyhawk endures...

DLG

Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:25 am

Well, now after two lengthy hospital stays I finally have my flight clearance... (and there was much rejoicing hehe)

I plan to make good use of it before they ground me again, so my gang of hearty adventures will be making the pilgrimage to Gamehole Con in Madison Wisconsin and will be cornering up the Demi-Goddess of Cartography over dinner.
So just to pass along, if any have some questions they want me to toss Anna's way list here and I will see what I can gather from her and post back for all to share.

Best Wishes
GH Endures

Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:42 pm

Well back from Madison and the Gamehole Con.... Anna sends salutations to her supportive GH faithful.

She is still delving with those Kobold of Kobold Press fame but did co-conspire a seminar with Alyssa Faden on cartography where Greyhawk got some love.

We did manage to have lunch on several occasions and discuss Greyhawk and things in the works...

For her, she is detailing out the Sheildlands for her new campaign personal play and for me the hardy band of adventurers I have will try to clean up the mess the giants have made of Geoff.

So we hope to follow up with details and of course looking for the same from all those that continue to GH Endure.....

DLG

Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:07 pm Map Confusion

So I am looking at Anna's Flanaess Full Map 598 CY - 2019 Edition REV1 (as hosted on http://greyhawkonline.com/ghmaps/) in the region of Geoff. [Edit: what follows is also true on the Flanaess 576 CY - 2020 Edition map at https://www.annabmeyer.com/greyhawk-maps/]

The river that flows from the Isle of Rhun to Hocholve is labeled at its headwaters in the Lake of Rhun as the Avon Fyn, but by the time it reaches the Midwood Forest it is called the Olvewater. Or, perhaps it is the lake itself that is the Avon Fyn, or the river flowing into the lake, while the outflow is the Olvewater. The Olvewater enters the Javan north of New Midwood.

The river that starts in the center of the Cantrev of Rychdir Rhos and enters the Javan at New Midwood is not labeled.

Some sources say that it is the Olvewater that flows through New Midwood, which would mean the unlabeled southern river should be the Olvewater while the doubly labeled northern river should be the Avon Fyn, only.

For example,
https://db4sgowjqfwig.cloudfront.net/campaigns/129072/assets/845045/GyruffCY618_04.pdf?1522501776, which seems to be largely based on LG sources, seems to suggest that the lake itself is the Avon Fyn while the northern river is the Olvewater for its entirety.

Also, http://wiki.griffcrier.com/index.php?title=Westmarks_Campaign_Primer supports this, and specifically calls the lake "Lake Avon Ffyn" [sic]

But, I think "Avon" would more generally be translated as "River" rather than lake.

Canon source The Liberation of Geoff says Midwood "sits on one of the broader parts of the Olvewater between the Dim Forest and the Oytwood" and the map included shows the Olvewater originating in the lake.

However, the map is problematic in that it shows the Olvewater bending south to flow through Midwood but it appears that the Olvewater becomes the Javan, without showing the Javan's source in the Vale of the Mage

Thanks!
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Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:08 pm More Map Confusion

I am still looking at Anna's Flanaess Full Map 598 CY - 2019 Edition REV1 (as hosted on http://greyhawkonline.com/ghmaps/) but now in the region of Sterich. [Edit: what follows is also true on the Flanaess 576 CY - 2020 Edition map at https://www.annabmeyer.com/greyhawk-maps/]

There are two towns across the Javan from one another; one on the Keoish side (Javan Ferry) and one on the Sterish side (Sterich Road). They are separated by the Ford of Marich, which I believe comes from Gary Holian's LGJ1 article on Keoland.

I am wondering about the naming of the Sterish town "Sterich Road", though. It appears to be taken from the Dungeon 117 map supplement (https://paizo.com/dungeonissues/117/DA117_OnlineSupplement.pdf, in which indeed, it looks like these are the names given for the two towns (although on that map the symbols appear to indicate that they are villages, not towns).

However, closer inspection reveals that the Dungeon map names a number of roads: King's Highway (from Flen east), Oyt Road (from Istivin north), and Davish Main Trail (from Istivin south). Given that, I wonder if "Sterich Road" is rather the name of the road from Istivin east, and the unfortunate placement of it on the map near to an (unnamed) village on the Javan has resulted in people coming to believe it refers to the name of the village?

Similarly, perhaps the east-bank village is also actually unnamed, and "Javan Ferry" refers to the river crossing itself rather than the settlement?"

In this same thread (page 24; April 17, 2017) Mystic-Scholar says that Gary Holian wrote about both of these cities [sic] but does not say where. I don't think they are mentioned in LGJ1.
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:23 am Re: More Map Confusion

Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:57 am Re: More Map Confusion

Mon May 25, 2020 8:11 am

On the Avon Fyn/Avon Ffyn - If we're adhering to Welsh, as most of the Geoff nomenclature tends to, then Afon/Avon should be river, yes. I find the translation of the name interesting: Afon Ffyn is River of Staves/River of Sticks - maybe deriving from being a forest river for part of its length?

Sun May 02, 2021 9:23 am

Where the Javan enters the Rushmoors, Anna has "Keeler's Keep" across the river from Tanner's Ferry.

It is spelled "Keller's Keep" here: https://db4sgowjqfwig.cloudfront.net/campaigns/129072/assets/845045/GyruffCY618_04.pdf?1522501776, a fan site that seems largely based on LG sources.

Any ideas for the original source material and spelling?
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Sun May 02, 2021 3:55 pm

Sun May 02, 2021 4:26 pm

Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:58 am

Looks like Anna's map is missing

Galesford [TWN]

SOOC - 124

Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:58 am

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Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:02 pm

Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:07 pm

Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:15 pm

Just noted on page 213 of Saga of Old City that Owlsthorpe appears to be in the wrong location. Should be north of the rough trail through the Flinty Hills, not south of the trail.

Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:29 pm

Just noted on page 215 of Saga of Old City that Faselfarm appears to be in the wrong location

Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:32 am

Anna, what would the best option for printing your 30-mile hex map to maximize resolution but keeping the size manageable? (By manageable I guess I mean as large as an outfit like Kinko's or some such could print / laminate it)

Thanks