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Chevalier wrote: |
Jon Snow's . . . essentially in deep cover under Qhorin Halfhand's orders, though the teleplay glossed this a little too much for my liking. |
Anybody tell the Watch Commander that?
And I wouldn't so much say that he betrayed The Watch, though The Watch is pretty much finished thanks to that "minor" civil war they just had.
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Winterfell is already screwed anyway thanks to Theon. |
Rob has the "army" necessary to deal with what Theon did. Balon Greyjoy doesn't have the "power" to hold Winterfell. Mance Rayder is another matter.
No, the "army" of Mance Rayder isn't going to stop at The Wall and Jon will not even be able to slow them down. Jon has done a very foolish thing, even if Qhorin Halfhand told him to do it. They climbed The Wall to open the gates, of course, and given the fact that -- for all intents and purposes -- The Watch just lost 300 men, they're not in a position to do anything about it.
As things stand, Jon is a traitor to his family . . . unless some drastic change takes place, that's my opinion. _________________ Mystic's web page: http://melkot.com/mysticscholar/index.html
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I have no idea if anyone else will find this amusing or not:
[includes obscene language]
http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/05/delusional-intelligence-analyst-briefs-plan-to-repel-invasion-of-westeros/
cest la guerre...
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In spite of everything, Jon Snow remains my favorite character of the series, although I am intrigued by Danaerys' plotline and how she intends to win the Iron Throne, especially with her trio of growing dragons. Ser Jorah is also one of my favorite characters.
I very much anticipate the bloody and painful demise of the vile Princeling...nobody deserves it so much as he does! Of course, some others who come to mind: Baelish, the Hound, and the Mountain.
They need some avengers of Trithereon in this world to put the high and mighty back in their rightful place.
Curious to see how the 'chess match' between Tywin and Olenna plays out. I liked how that lady countered Old Man Lannister. It was nice to see someone stand up to him and give as good as they got against him.
Wondering how the hell Tyrion and Cersei plan to thwart 'daddy.' I imagine they may form an uneasy alliance to do so.
Awaiting the next episode,
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Well, I have to be honest, the things that they're doing to Theon Greyjoy are making me quickly lose interest in the show. It's all unnecessary to the story. And I'll argue that point with the friggin' author himself.
Daenerys Targaryen is turning out to be a "right bitch" after all. Now she's going to destroy another city, if they don't free their slaves just because she told them to. She has three dragons and so is now the "rightful ruler" of the whole damn world. I'm ready for her to die too.
Rob now feels that Edmure Tully's marriage to the Fey is the best match that the Frey have ever had, so, you see, he was right in breaking his word. The Frey are not worthy of a marriage alliance with the king. What an ****.
Jamie Lannister is turning out to be the best of them.
I'm quickly losing interest in this show. _________________ Mystic's web page: http://melkot.com/mysticscholar/index.html
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In the author's defense - what happens to Theon isn't told in the books until much later, and in flashback, and in much less vivid detail.
Daenerys - this is her figuring out how to rule. She's not perfect; she makes mistakes, learns from them. She's better than Joffrey.
Robb - wait for it.
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Chevalier wrote: |
Daenerys - this is her figuring out how to rule. She's not perfect; she makes mistakes, learns from them. |
Does this mean that it's okay for the U.S. to go to Saudi Arabia and kill all the men and priest, thus freeing the women there of their "slavery?"
I mean, perhaps the U.S. is simply "learning from it's mistakes?" Rome lasted a thousand years, the U.S. is only two hundred years old. We're "young" yet!
Daenerys Targaryen is turning out to be a "right bitch" after all. _________________ Mystic's web page: http://melkot.com/mysticscholar/index.html
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Don't you all think that Heironeans and Trithereonites would do the same as Danaerys, though for different religious reasons (yet a common ultimate goal)?
As a God of Honor, Chivalry, and Justice, I don't think any Heironean worth his Roman salt would condone it. As a God of Freedom and Individuality, neither would any Trithereonite. Both would do as Danaerys, in my opinion. Although I am sure not everyone will agree, I still see her as a "Good" aligned person.
I may be the only candle flickering in the wind on this, but I applaud her iron ovaries on this one.
I am very shocked, and equally impressed, with "Evil" Jaime Lannister's singular act of heroism and honor. Even 'bad guys' can behave themselves, from time to time. Good for him.
After what's happening to Theon, I am actually pitying the poor SOB. I must be getting a conscience, or something...
Just my thoughts,
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Lanthorn wrote: |
Don't you all think that Heironeans and Trithereonites would do the same as Danaerys, though for different religious reasons (yet a common ultimate goal)? |
Trithereonites . . . yes.
Heironeoneans . . . no.
You forget that Heironeous and Trithereon are often at odds with one another and the reason for that is Heironeous' upholding of Law.
Is slavery illegal in that land? Apparently not.
Trithereon and his sect are in trouble in Greyhawk (The Adventure Begins page 109; see also the conversation at http://www.canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5537&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) for the very reason that they oppose law and law enforcement officials.
The Trithereonites would definitely crusade to free slaves. The Heironeoneans wouldn't, not unless slavery were illegal in the land in which they found said slavery. _________________ Mystic's web page: http://melkot.com/mysticscholar/index.html
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M-S - I'm not saying Daenerys is right, though opposing massive institutional slavery certainly isn't a bad idea. Should she just ignore it and take the gold instead? My point is we can't expect her to be perfect, and shouldn't. Remember she's fictional and enjoy the ride.
I'm reminded of Henry V's speech to the governor of Harfleur - saying they'll defile the town's daughters, dash their elders' heads against the wall, spit the infants on pikes, etc. - then after the governor's surrender, telling Exeter very clearly to "use mercy to them all." As Henry did (in the play anyway), she's performing the role of the Dread Sovereign. She also values the lives of her soldiers, and would rather not have to attack; while I don't think she seriously expects them to surrender, she's giving them the chance. She'll find out later what the true consequences of her actions are, here and in Astapor.
Oh, and the US already made some slavery-related mistakes, and continues to slowly learn from them. So yes, I think we should cut a little slack for a teen who has really just begun to rule anything.
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In my mind, Lawful Neutrals would uphold slavery because it was legal. They don't care if it is moral/ethical or not. If the law of the land says it's OK, a LN person is less likely to worry about the ethical ramifications.
A Lawful GOOD person, however, will likely take issue with the enslavement of another sentient being. Just because it is legal doesn't make it moral or ethical. I have had the same debates with my own wife on this (I think of her as LG, and I am a self-proclaimed NG personality). Slavery was once legal in our own country. Did that make it moral or OK? No. I'd think a Lawful Good person, especially one of the Heironean faith, would take umbrage to such a law.
Is it just, honorable, and valorous to enslave people? I don't think so. And, in my opinion, I doubt the Archpaladin would endorse such a law, either. A priest of St Cuthbert, Pholtus, or Zilchus, on the other hand, would likely overlook such things (if said priest was LN instead of LG).
On this issue, I think that a priest/follower of Heironeous and Trithereon would just likely agree! <gasp!> However, HOW to free the slaves, and the methods and tactics they would use to accomplish such a feat, may differ.
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Whatever. Tired of debating "Lawful" with you people. Everyone of you has a reason why the "law" can be broken in the name of "good."
You are not Lawful, you're a law-breaker, a criminal . . . get over it.
As for Daenerys, I despise all people who would force their will or morality on another. "Live and let live?" You people obviously have no intention of doing that and you support those who share you view, like Daenerys. _________________ Mystic's web page: http://melkot.com/mysticscholar/index.html
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Me, I'm not debating "lawful," mostly because neither GRRM nor the show's writers have taken D&D alignments into account, and I have no plans to adapt the characters into D&D format. I like that the characters are mixed - that we can feel sorry for Theon even after his betrayals, that Jaime can grow as a person and become (almost?) likable, and that Robb and Daenerys have difficulty navigating the waters of leadership.
And since I consider slavery the ultimate imposition of one's will upon another, yes, I would take issue with it, even if it meant forcing my will upon the enslaver.
Looking forward to the last three episodes - well, all but one of them.
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Eagerly anticipating the next episode tonight...hoping to catch it.
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Chevalier wrote: |
In the author's defense - what happens to Theon isn't told in the books until much later, and in flashback, and in much less vivid detail. |
It's my understanding that the producers included the Theon stuff in this season so the viewers wouldn't spend an entire season or more wondering what happened to his character. I think one or two vignettes might have been enough; it is getting a little excessive.
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Just wondering: will this series cover the most recent book?
I've been avoiding the series as I found the books pretty depressing, and a very pessimstic view of man. History has enough of that - I don't seek it out in my fiction.
Of course, I haven't read the last book, so perhaps a happy ending is in the offing???
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My gut feeling is that at least some characters will have a happy ending, despite all the crap they go through. It's possible he'll go full Hamlet and everyone dies, but to me that seems less likely than at least some of the good guys surviving and rebuilding Westeros. By the latest book, we've got a core handful of characters that seem like they'll survive at least _until_ the climax - though that's not the same as surviving the climax, or changing dramatically from the people they once were, maybe beyond redemption or restoration. Even Frodo, in the much less dark LotR, couldn't be fully healed in Middle-earth, and Martin's characters have no Tol Eressea to visit.
I might have to skip next episode, since it will be bringing to life one of the moments when I had to put the book down to keep from throwing it (GRRM told me he hears a lot of people literally throw the book across the room at that point; this made him laugh. A sign he's doing some good writing, if we care that much).
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I've already got my happy ending for the series -- books and TV -- picked out, but it would contain massive spoilers to tell it, unless you're all caught up on the books, so all I'll say is it involves Tyrion. I'll have to wait and see if Martin delivers.
Bugsy, how far have you gotten in the books? While I think it does present much of the worst of humanity, to me the evolution of some of the characters shows the opposite, but then I'm about the only guy I've ever heard of who found the end of The Road to be kind of hopeful. Keep reading.
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I have not yet read the newest book. I have debated whether I want to continue the emotional investment.
But I probably will....
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And I do agree with you about the ending of Da Road! |
Glad I'm not the only one. Man, when I saw the film, at the end, everyone in the theater is crying about his dad. I was okay up to the moment when the boy looks down and locks eyes with the dog. Something about that moment; I busted out crying.
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For those of you who saw the last episode (Season 3, Episode 8), what did you think?
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I thought Tyrion had the line of the night: "And now my watch begins." The whole wedding was well done, I thought. Overall, seems to be winding up for the big finish over the last two episodes, though it looks like they'll have to put a fair amount of SoS into early next season.
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Tyrion is a scene stealer in the books, and in the show. I do appreciate that the program makes every effort to show how he is mistreated and disrespected by his own family. Really makes one want to root for him, especially considering he is the only close to decent Lannister of the bunch.
Lots of good visuals in the show, both in regard to scenery and costuming. Nicely flawed and complex characters too, and pretty good acting from all, from young to old. _________________ - Moderator/Admin (in some areas)/Member -
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I, too, have become a fan of the show. I'm actually a bit surprised with the decent computer animation for the dragons. They look pretty decent.
I agree the acting, costuming, and character development are well done.
Looking forward to more episodes,
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I missed last week. Was there a new episode (#9) or not? Or is Season 3 over?
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There was no show on Sunday the 26th - they skipped Memorial Day weekend because of low ratings in previous seasons. Last night was #9, next week is the season finale.
Two storylines mostly wrapped up, but they can't finish all of the rest next week - I'm curious to see what gets resolved and what's put off until next year.
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The Red Wedding. Nicely done. _________________ - Moderator/Admin (in some areas)/Member -
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Cebrion wrote: |
The Red Wedding. Nicely done. |
Brutal, so brutal. And I was very concerned they wouldn't go thru with it until I heard the band play.
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WOW. I finally caught the last episode. Tis true. Do NOT get attached to anyone in Game of Thrones. They are likely to get 'whacked' at any time! Talk about TPK. I wonder if SirXaris isn't actually behind this script...
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Nah, you gotta do it. People don't expect it. Almost always makes for great drama, and it is always best when it is brutal. There are certain little details about the show that are exceptionally well executed which, when I see them at least, it just adds that much more to it. The prop and effects people working on the show are very good.
I am enjoying the show mainly for the visuals that it provides (I already like the story overall), but also because my Greyhawk campaign verges on being this gritty (though it certainly has its more lighthearted moments). And I like it that way. This is surely one reason why I liked the early Gord the Rogue storyline so much (i.e. the part leading up and including the Beggars' Union and its war with the Thieves' Guild), as it is fairly brutal too. I guess I just prefer more realistic drama, and portraying things in this way is realistic because people simply can be evil bastards. _________________ - Moderator/Admin (in some areas)/Member -
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I guess I can respect that, Ceb. I can tend towards the gritty and brutal style of DMing, too, and some of my former players chided me for being the "Killer DM." It's not that I went for a TPK on principle alone...that tends to lose players really quick...but I don't mind killing off NPCs (especially) and the occasional player, if necessary. My Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth campaign (see associated Campaign Journal story for an example) proves that.
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Wondering what everyone thought about the season finale'.
Anyone know when the next season starts?
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Kind of a "meh" finishing point. The Red Wedding would have been a much better season ending. The next season starts late March/early April 2014. _________________ - Moderator/Admin (in some areas)/Member -
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I agree Red Wedding would of been a better season finale. The season finale did not have the impact Red Wedding did on the story so far. Imagine dealing with a year of pain after this without knowing (unless you read the books) what was next.
Apparently Starks are not favored in the Game of Thrones. Good thing for Tony Stark that George R.R. Martin does not write for Marvel.
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They've typically had episode 9 be the big one - Ned Stark in season 1, the Battle of the Blackwater in season 2, Red Wedding in season 3 - and then use the final episode to wrap things up a bit. They left plenty for a big beginning to season 4, though: the coming battle at Castle Black and its aftermath, Arya's next move, Joffrey's wedding and its aftermath...I'm also curious to see if they follow Feast for Crows/Dance with Dragons separately, that is to say mimicking the geographical division between the books, or if they blend them together to keep the whole thing chronological (the two books happen more or less simultaneously).
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I would expect things to be covered as they occur. Taking a year off amounts to 2 years of aging for the actors before they appear again, which could be very altering for the younger actors in particular. Then there are the acting contracts an such. I doubt the is is a "sit it out for a year" section in them. HBO won't make the mistake that G.R.R. Martin did (and he surely did) because they can't. _________________ - Moderator/Admin (in some areas)/Member -
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I agree with you gents that Episode 9 "The Red Wedding" would've made a far better finale'.
To Argon, NICE Marvel reference, my 'old' friend!
I've just got my fingers crossed that, at some point, Joffrey and his mother will "get theirs."
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Lanthorn,
Technically Cersi got hers already. Joffrey will live a long time. The evil bastards usually do. Yeah, I figured Ironman would of been a short 3 books if George R.R> Martin wrote for Marvel.
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Argon, if you mean that Cersei 'got hers' by having an arranged marriage to somebody she clearly doesn't want...I am hoping for something more "terminal"...
Yeah, sometimes the bad guys win and beyond the justice/retribution of even Heironeous or Trithereon. But, I guess that's 'life.'
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Joffrey is Cersei's to bear. It is the second arranged marriage she has to go through. The only person she truly loves is her brother. I would go on that tangent but this is a PG- friendly site.
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Finally started reading this series, starting with the first book (about halfway done), and really enjoying it. Yes, I realize that I already know what's gonna happen, but, to me, I like getting more inside information from the book that you don't get from watching the mini-series. I highly recommend everyone who is a fan to read as well.
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Once you've finished all the books FOR THE SECOND TIME , just to drive yourself crazy, you can start delving into all the theories people have posted over on A Wiki of Ice & Fire. Who was Jon Snow's mother? What happened to Tyrion's first love? Who is really the reincarnation of Azor Ahai? Blah, blah, blah.
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I also hear there's a roll-playing game. Anyone play it?
I am waiting for a graphic novel to appear...unless there is one, and somehow I missed it!
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Ask and you shall receive!
Not only is there a graphic novel (I saw the 2nd, but didn't find the 1st one), there is also a cookbook for Game of Thrones! Otto would be delighted.
Also found a board game, too. Wow, the market is flooded with GoT products. Martin must be wallowing in heaps of golden orbs by now.
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Forgot about the cookbook! One day I will make some Sister's Stew. Holy crap, that looks delicious!!!
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I'm just over halfway done with the second book (Clash of Kings) and have started rewatching Seasons 1-3. Something caught my attention with respect to titles. Isn't 'Your Grace' used for a Duke instead of a King? I thought 'Your Majesty' is the title for a King...
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I'm just over halfway done with the second book (Clash of Kings) and have started rewatching Seasons 1-3. Something caught my attention with respect to titles. Isn't 'Your Grace' used for a Duke instead of a King? I thought 'Your Majesty' is the title for a King...
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You are correct, Lanthorn, generally speaking.
However, for much of France's history, there was no King - the most powerful Duke (the Duke of Paris) was the one elected by the others to be the head of their 'confederation'. Thus, 'Duke' was the highest noble/royal rank in France and 'Your Majesty' was the proper reference to use for that personage.
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SX, I thought you'd be the person with the answer.
As a sidenote, my wife and I had to make a compromise (always). In order for me to get her to watch "Game of Thrones" I am having to watch "Glee." Episode for episode, back and forth. Luckily for her, I am a high school teacher, so I get some of the nuances of "Glee," but I fear that "Game" has her stunned, overwhelmed, and disgusted with the sex, violence, and blatant injustice. She wisecracked, calling it a 'medieval, fantasy soap opera.'
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A fellow teacher told me about this site, and thought I'd share it with you all. You don't have to be a teacher to find it very amusing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY6dvlMfntw
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I'm just over halfway done with the second book (Clash of Kings) and have started rewatching Seasons 1-3. Something caught my attention with respect to titles. Isn't 'Your Grace' used for a Duke instead of a King? I thought 'Your Majesty' is the title for a King...
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In modern usage in the English system. That didn't come about until the 15th or 16th century. Henry VIII, always messin' with stuff! Until then, 'Your Grace' was the style for the kings of England.
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I also hear there's a roll-playing game. Anyone play it?
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There are two in fact. One is now out of print but uses the d20 system; I have the pdf and it is 500+ pages of truly gorgeous shizzle. The mechanics have been very cleverly tampered with to reflect the grittyness of the setting and believe me there are no 100hp bullying sack of hits pcs in this one. I've not played it due to time limitations but it looks decent.
The other one is Green Ronin's A Song Of Ice and Fire RPG and I've not got it. I have, however been following an AP thread from another forum and it seems like the guys involved are having a good time and for the most part the system seems to deliver a very good setting experience. There's a free starter on DriveThru for a taste.
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Season 4 trailer:
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Another tidbit for all you Game of Thrones fans:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5iS3tULXMQ
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Trailer 2 for the next season:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ZNaLQD60Y
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Dragon magazine had a few articles devoted to D&D in Westeros:
http://www.amazon.com/Dragon-Magazine-307-Jesse-Decker/dp/B0012SMG6U
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Got 3 months of HBO free when we installed Direct TV, so I'm all caught up on season 3 and just watched the opener of season 4. The dragons are getting big. Oberyn Martel is just about how I pictured him. I don't care for the new Daario though.
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Season 4, Episode 2...Joffrey got what he deserved. Paint a Rune of Pursuit on his corpse.
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Boy has this season deviated from the books...more so than prior seasons!
Thoughts on this: do you like, or dislike, these changes, and why?
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Generally I'm okay with the deviation. The stuff with Craster's was pretty different, but it all worked out the same. There's still a couple of characters I'm missing, but they'll probably get to them eventually.
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Even though I knew what was coming...poor Oberyn! What a ghastly and horrible way to perish. Looking forward to the next installment, as Episode 9 of all previous seasons have been the most climactic ones.
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This week's episode featured a distressing lack of head-crushing.
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Maybe no head-crushing, but plenty of swordplay, archery (including impalement by a giant's arrow!), and good old defense techniques to counter a siege.
I am hoping round 2 is equally intense when Mance Rayder takes the field with the bulk of his host.
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Haha!
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Collective thoughts and opinions on this season of GoT???
Beware, readers, of potential spoilers if you have not seen it... You were warned in advance.
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Overall, I liked it, even the changes. The only thing I didn't really care for is the foreshadowing about the Mountain, with what Qyburn is up to. It's not established in the books, but most people have figured it out.
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SPOILER ALERT!
There are more changes to this season than any others, but I am not sure all are to my liking. Honestly, I am having a difficult time determining what events happened in which books (I just finished Book 4), but know they just barely scratched the surface of Book 3 in this season.
I don't like how the Mountain was seemingly killed. He didn't move whatsoever in the series, yet the implication was he was still alive. The bastard should be writhing in agony (serves him right) as the manticore venom slowly kills him. The battle between the Red Viper and the Mountain was pretty hideous, but accurate.
I don't like the alteration wherein Arya met up with Brienne, with the resulting battle between her and the Hound. I guess they figured they needed to hasten up the storyline, but, for the most part, I don't like deviations from the original source.
There was nothing in the book (yet) about Theon's failed liberation by his sister. Maybe that is to come in Book 5.
Although interesting, nothing about Bran and the 3-eyed raven, the subsequent death of Jojen, and all that jazz, in Book 3 or 4.
The siege on the Wall was pretty accurate, but I recall that the Magnar of Thenn was killed when the crows collapsed the scaffolding. I don't think he was taken prisoner. Even though it makes for more television drama, that scene with John Snow and Ygritte...never happened in the book.
To each his own I guess, but that is why I asked for opinions.
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I get confused by this also, what happened in what book, but some of it is due to the structure of how Martin did the books. The original concept was that Feast of Crows would only present the story from the POV of certain characters (which it did) with the POV of the rest of the characters from that same time period being in a following book (Which it sorta did). Martin changed his mind on that, which is partly why Dance with Dragons took so freaking long to come out. So, some of the material in DwD is happening simultaneously with FoC, but then there is other stuff in DwD that advances the whole timeline ... Yeah, I know.
I didn't mind the bit with Brienne and Pod meeting up with Arya and the Hound. While I liked how it played out in the book -- at least the part with Brienne and Pod -- that would have been a bit of a sidetrack to do in the show, and they're trying to cram in as much drama as possible, which I get.
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(Spoilers for books and show)
I'm about half-way through book 5--much of the show from this season comes from that book in addition to book 3, there are a few minor deviations here and there, but nothing earth shattering.
I thought the attempted rescue of Theon was maybe book 4? When the show hit that, it seemed really familiar.
I think overall the show is trying to be more strict with chronology than the books & that's why we see chapters from multiple books in a given season.
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I'm about half-way through book 5--much of the show from this season comes from that book in addition to book 3, there are a few minor deviations here and there, but nothing earth shattering.
I thought the attempted rescue of Theon was maybe book 4? When the show hit that, it seemed really familiar.
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The attempted rescue didn't happen in the book, but Asha (Yara on the show) did show up in Clash of Kings to try and get Theon to abandon Winterfell, then left him when he wouldn't. He REALLY should have taken her advice.
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I am now well into the 5th book, "A Dance with Dragons," and noting that many scenes (chapters) in the novel were placed in this past season's episodes. It seems the producers of the show are deviating more and more from the continuity of the books. Not sure I like that...
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It's the continuity of the books that is fubared. Martin originally planned to do half the world in Feast for Crows, and then the other half during the same time period in the next book, but then changed his mind and included that stuff along with the most recent events in A Dance with Dragons. So events in season 5 should be the later stuff from Feast for Crows with concurrent events from A Dance with Dragons. The proper way to read the books should probably be to read Feast for Crows alongside the first half (or 1/3 or 3/4 or whatever it actually is) of A Dance with Dragons, and then finish up with the second half of A Dance with Dragons.
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Finally finished Book 5 a few days ago and never saw the ending coming....WOW. Hoping Martin hurries up and publishes that next book before he dies, and ties all those loose ends without meandering off on any more wild tangents. I started reading his books only recently, starting with Book 1 several years ago, slowly devouring them bit by bit, and now consider it an achievement to have read all of them in a few years' time.
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Just started reading the Prince of Thorns, the first book in Mark Lawrence's Broken Empire Trilogy, and so far, he's the only author of the "If you loved Game of Thrones, you'll love ..." authors that has, for me, lived up to that promise. I'm about 1/4 through and I'm not quite sure I like or sympathize with the protagonist, but I am digging his story.
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two episodes into the new season and no discussion at canonfire?
Here is my humble opinion... please some screen writer stop being so stupid. The mother of dragons has a torch and its daylight when she locks up two of her pets but when she goes back its night and no torch. Brilliant. The whole mother of dragons character has gone for ****. If she wont get naked stop putting her in bedroom scenes and please, please, please stop with the naked men making out or male asses anywhere. Other than the mother of dragons character it has been pretty good so far but i am getting sick and tired of stupid characters in the shows i kinda like (ie. walking dead). Television/society has really gone down the crapper in the last 20 years. I can't believe people actually enjoy that reality crap and ice road truckers???? Yukon goldrush????
sorry about that.... please return to your scheduled programming
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Surprised, too, about the apparent silence. Either everyone is disinterested, or nobody is checking down here.
Nevertheless, even though I haven't seen these episodes (yet), I understand they are deviating very much from the book.
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It is a bit discouraging to have to scroll past all those dozens of dead "Living Greyhawk" forums to get here. Could they maybe be archived away, or at least moved somewhere where they don't take up so much real estate from the active forums?
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I am caught up on this season's episodes. They've deviated so much from the actual book (not necessarily good, not necessarily bad) that it's hard for me to figure out what will happen next, except that the overall theme is, basically, the same.
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Liked last episode's ending with the WhiteWalker siege on the wildling fortress.
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Or what happened at the Wall last night, Daenerys, and... well, if I say too much, I'll probably get ragged on as dropping spoilers, so... _________________ <p><em>Someday, Ivid... someday, I will have my revenge.</em></p>
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Been a while since the last post on this thread...
...Ramsay Bolton got exactly what he deserved, in my opinion. A follower of Trithereon would definitely approve!
The final scene with the fleet sailing for Westeros, the three dragons in full flight overhead, was a visual treat to witness.
I am hopeful and excited to see what comes next. Not at all disappointed thus far. In fact, and maybe I am the only person to think this, I would go so far as to say the show has improved in terms of quality (filming, effects, etc.) from one season to the next. Of course this may be due entirely to a larger budget!
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A friend posted this on FaceBook (which I subsequently added to my Timeline) and thought it was too funny NOT to share with other GoT fans:
https://www.facebook.com/ViralTubee/videos/742716835868274/?pnref=story
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Anyone following the new season?
Thoughts, comments, insights, and predictions welcome.
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Prediction: Bran is going to Warg a dragon...
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This season is my favorite season so far. Lots of action and great battles and of course the dragons look amazing. I love the books even more than the show, but the show does a pretty good job.
Predictions:
- Tormund is alive
- The Others and the Army of the Dead wreck havoc in the North and it takes the good guys a while to gather their forces to fight back
- The first battle between the good guys and the Others ends in defeat for the good guys
- Jon and Dany continue to be together romantically for a while
- Jon doesn't find out who he really is for a while
- When he does find out however he and Dany "break up" and he renounces being King of the North and head of the Stark family
- Sansa becomes head of the Starks and Queen of the North
- The Golden Company shows up working for Cerci and attacks Dany's army from the south, but they eventually fight with her against the Others
- Melisandre shows up with an army from Volantis and they fight the Others with Dany. Melisandre is killed fighting though
- Jaime kills Cerci with his bare hands as the prophecy said
- Clegane bowl happens and the Hound kills the Mountain, but he dies of his wounds right after
- The good guys win in the final battle against the Others, but Jon is killed and Drogon and Rhaegal also die
- The Night's King and all the Others are killed as is Viserion in the final battle
- The show ends with Dany giving birth to Jon's (healthy) son
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Did you get this from your crystal palantir?
Good predictions. Rumor has it that we might have to wait TWO years, though!
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House of the Dragon!
Coming "soon." :)
Very excited, and hopeful.
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