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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:42 am    Post subject: Anna's Atlas of the Flanaess Reply with quote

I presented my Oerth mapping work earlier in this forum (Map of the Flanaess thread,
http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1772

After pondering over the feedback I received I’ve adjusted the format into something I think is more user friendly and a lot more manageable.

The big map are divided into A4-sized (European equivalent to Letter-size) parts a la the “Kingdoms of Kalamar Atlas”.



Part 59,72 and 73 are available for download in JPG and PDF formats. In PDF format the layers are intact so you can turn on and of features, which can be used for more info in future versions.

Small versions of the area maps to give you an idea what they look like:

























Full size jpg and pdf versions and a map legend can you dowload here:

http://ghmaps.net

For more background on my mapmaking look at the thread: Map of the Flanaess http://www.canonfire.com/cfhtml/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1772

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

....

I would post more but the beauty of these maps have left me speechless.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I second Danger Dwarf! Great work. Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WOW. Keep up the good work Anna. I like your reference chart. Gonna do those entirely water sections too? ;) The Kalamar Atlas is a good model to work from, I never bought into the setting but that book is awesome.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Nice, I am in awe of your talent.

Will the map be available for download when complete, is it even feasible.

Also a minor point; I notice no islands in the Dramidj Ocean, will they be included?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really enjoy the work you have put into these maps and look forward to more.

Thanks
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies Happy

First about those all ocean parts, perhaps there are remote island or notable depths or other interesting things noteworthy, if that's the case I'll map them as well :-)

I will add more depths and other details to watery areas, experimenting on it now and it will be there when I'm satisfied whith the looks.

It will take a while for me to do all of the Flanaess, I estimate 2-4 years, depending on my future job status. Each part is about 10MB in size which will make all the parts in the order of 1-2GB. I have 10GB of net storage now so it's certainly feasible to have it all accessable over the web. But I'm hoping to somehow having it printed and I'll do my best to make that happen. All my work is done at high resolution to be ready for printing

The islands of the Dramidj Ocean? I haven't done any research on that part yet, but I promise you to do my best to include every island I can find and add a few more in the process. that is how I've done it with the parts i've published.

First step is the basic canon stuff and then I've added the living greyhawk stuff and tryed to work out some of the inconsistencies, Verbobonc for exmaple. Then I've added own things to the map that I think is sutable and should be there.

If you download the PDF version you can turn off all my own stuff by making the layer "personal campaign" invisible.

I have made updates to the areas 59 and 72 and I will publish them when I get home from vacation. Right now I'm doing research on Bright Desert and Onnwall for area 73.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anna,

I am in awe of your maps.

Will there be UFO landing sites when you do Area 51?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Awesome... those are among the most beautiful maps that I've seen. Thank you so much for sharing them with us!

And they actually made me do my first posting after three years of occasional lurking on these boards..... Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe those Ratikan's have some UFO connections Cool

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Anna,

Regarding the Bright and Onnwal - I assume you've been to the Onnwal LG site, which has a reasonably detailed map plus info on the physical geography of Onnwal.

Also - there was an article on the Bright Desert in Dungeon or Dragon a while back that included some location not found in Rary the Traitor.

Ditto Hardby, by the way, Dungeon 109 (IIRC) has a map with some new locations in and around Hardby.

And that's quite enough shameless selfpromotion for one post... :)

If you've any questions about any of the above, just ask


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those maps are awesome and beautiful !
I wish I could contribute somehow, but I´m not a canon expert.
The Layer structure is very useful, you could use the maps like those provided for dungeon magazine online, one for the players and one with all details for the DM.
One thing I noticed: I just printed the two maps out to see what they look like, and perhaps it is my old printer, but the names of the small settlements and humanoid lairs are nearly illegible. They are very small, and if your printer doesn´t print crystal clear (and an old inkjet just won´t) they are hard to read. I´ll try another printer, but it could be a problem.
But please keep on the great work! I don´t intend to discourage you, I only want to show a potential problem. The idea for a greyhawk atlas is great. Perhaps paizo can get the rights from WotC to print the thing ? (probably wishful thinking, but it is be allowed to dream)

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anna wrote:

But I'm hoping to somehow having it printed and I'll do my best to make that happen. All my work is done at high resolution to be ready for printing

Anna



Anna, what a wonderfull job. And if you manage to have it printed, count me for one, maybe two samples.

Hope you achieve your goal, continue this very Good Job

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beautiful maps!!! I'd be very tempted to have every one of the 118 sections professionally printed and laminated so as to be able to use overhead projector markers on them to show campaign movements, character locations, or even dispostions of troops if something really major hit the fan.

Nice work!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again for your encouraging critisism Smile

First the printing problems you mentioned Stebehil. I've made new versions with the road and rivernames the same size as place names which is 4-10 points depending on size. I know that 4 points needs a very good printer to be readable, zoom the PDF in acrobat reader and print only the zoomed area and you should be able to get good prints on any kind of printer. Perfect for detailed local maps that you can make notes on for future reference. I have milestones, campsites and lots of minute details saved to be able to remeber them next time my PC'c stop for the night, or wander through an area.

Another trick I use is to take snapshots of our gamingboard with my digicam before erasing it to keep records. I have a directory for every area in Greyhawk on my harddrive to keep notes on map research and avdventuring as well.

Woesinger, you manged to guess my vacation reading spot on Happy
I printed out the whole Onnwal Gazeteer (circa 70 pages) and large versions of the maps which are great with the kind of detail I love to find. But it also makes my work harder to replicate it all with accuracy. The Dungeon issues you refering to gives a lot of extra detail to the Harby area and Bright Lands and an update with it all will be published here in a week or two. I have made notes and preliminary versions on my laptop, but I need my more powerful desptop to make the final maps ready.

To tease you Cebrion I can tell you I've used our ceiling mounted video projector to project maps on the table for battles and strategic planning, it was very cool Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ceiling-mounted projectors...?

Well, there goes my savings! Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woesinger; what's with the Ex-LG Onnwal, just curious?

Onnwal was one of the better and logical LG sites, it will continue, I hope.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh - I retired from involvement with LG late last year (amicably, I should add). I did 5 years in various roles and basically wanted to do other things with my free time - like noodle around Canonfire offering opinions to anyone who shows even half a suspicion of wanting one. :)

The current Onnwal crew are all competant lads, so the Free State is in good hands.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woesinger wrote:
Ceiling-mounted projectors...?

Well, there goes my savings! Happy

See here for example.... http://www.d20srd.org/extras/mapProjection.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fantastic looking maps, Anna!
For areas 74 and 87, you may want to check out the various maps on the Irongate section of my website. :-) There are also alot of other maps from different areas all around the Flanaess on many of my other pages. If you have any questions about any of those areas, or if you're looking for canon (or noncanon) geographic advice, drop me a line anytime! I'm not just a Greyhawk sage and cartographer... I'm a geologist. ;-)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anna,

The maps are beautiful, thanks.

You should note, though, before you start incorporating ANY LG content into your maps, you should check with the Triad and WOTC. For the Gran March project they specifically forbade any use of LG Gran March material. The triad stated that they had recieved instructions from WOTC.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right Anced_Math

I've been waiting for the day someone would say that about making maps of something someone else has the rights to. But the same ought to apply to ALL Greyhawk content not just LG stuff.

I'll have to restrain myself from publishing any of my work until WotC has either cleared or bought it.

I have to try and figure out the best way to contact them.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anna,

WOTC does not jump up and go after someone who uses published WOTC owned (i.e. canon) material. They have stated opposition to using Living Greyhawk (i.e. triad written) material.

Why the double standard, I dont know, but I think that as long as you use solely canon sources, and avoid LG, you will be fine if you dont publish for profit.
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Woah now hoss!

Let's make some distinctions here over who owns what and where. (I should add that I'm not a lawyer, but that this is my understanding of intellectual property).

WotC owns any and all Greyhawk material its employees create or it buys from writers.

Anything they don't buy or own under the terms of employee contract is the property of the creator - with the exception of something that's derived from WotC owned material, which, as I understand it, has some sort of joint ownership (they can prevent you from using it if you do so without their permission and vice versa).

In general, WotC doesn't do a TSR and try to stomp on people producing derivative material (such as Anna's map - which is based on the Flanaess, but undoubtedly has original material created by her - pick any of the minor rivers, hills etc that don't appear on any Wotc owned map, for example), as long as they don't try to make money from it. That's why Canonfire can host fan-material without being sued to the wazoo.

The same rules apply to LG.
Some of the triad and fan created material for LG is owned wholesale by WotC. These are characters, locations, names etc that appeared in Regional scenarios in the first 2 or so years of the campaign. At that time, the RPGA was buying the rights to all scenarios, be they Core, Adaptable or Regional. That policy ended at around the start of year 3 (IIRC). From that point on, RPGA only bought the rights to Core scenarios. Hence for any material created for a region that didn't feature in a WotC bought scenario, the IP rights (at least in part) remain with the author. Of course, the author can refuse to share the material too.

Regarding Gran March and their ban on use of their material, on my time on the LG Circle of 6 (Nov. 2004 to Dec. 2005), I recall no such ruling about limiting regional IP. That's not to say it didn't happen or wasn't valid, but I didn't hear anything about it. Further, when I was on the Onnwal Triad (2002 - 2004), I was aware of no such ruling.

That's also not to say that the Gran March triad aren't in their rights to forbid use of LG GM material. If they're the creators of the material, theycan restrict its use by others. If they're not the original creators of the material, then they're on shaky ground - but you'd have to track down the acutal creator and get their say so (which is obviously a nightmare to try to prove and reason no 1 that no non-explicitly purchased or developed WotC material from LG is ever going to make it into future iterations of the World of Greyhawk).

If a piece of LG GM material is owned by WotC outright, then strictly you should ask their permission. However, since they haven't chased down anyone for using other Greyhawk IP owned by them, then it's reasonable to think that they don't have a problem with it (in the absence of any direct evidence to the contrary - such as a statement of policy or a cease and desist order).

So in short, as I understand it, Anna shouldn't have any trouble using previously published GH material without permission, so long as she doesn't try to make money from it.

With LG material, the situation is more complex. Getting permission from the relevant triads is probably not a bad idea (and it's polite too). I'm sure that 90% of them will be more than happy to see someone make an amazing map of their region and add in all the LG locations too. You still have the problem that the triads won't have created all the material that they include in their region, but here again, though individual creators do have the right to tell you not to use their stuff, 99.9% won't have a problem unless money is being made from the map. If they do have a problem, just take the location out, say sorry and that should be the end of it (if you made no money on their stuff, they can't sue for any damages).

Again this is my understanding of IP rights. If anyone has a better professional handle on the law, feel free to correct me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the offer Malvin I'm sure I'll need your help soon Happy

I think I'll follow Woesingers advice and contact the triads about using their maps as a base for my work and be prepared to keep some content for private use only.

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