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Tue May 06, 2014 1:18 pm  
The D&D "Iconic" Character stories as Flaneass

I never bothered to read any of the novels on the D&D 3X icons (Lidda, Jozan, etc), assuming that they had little to offer in terms of either Flanaess canon or literary merit.

I was looking through Dragon #303, and it had an excerpt, "Prying Eyes," which mentions that "His Bellicose Majesty" Ingemar put the hammer down on the Church of Pelor in his territories. I checked, and "His Bellicose Majesty" is indeed the proper title for Ingemar, King of the Snow Barbarians, as I suspected. It could be a throw-away line to make it "Greyhawky," since the rest of the tale seems generic (Pelor is a "Core Deity" in D&D 3X). Could there be anything of use here? Confused

I'm missing a lot of context (it is an excerpt from a much longer novel). I thought that a relatively large Pelorian presence among the Snow Barbarians would be odd, but it does make sense that they'd have missionaries among the heathens. At worst, it's an interesting idea to store away. Wink
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Wed May 07, 2014 10:56 am  

Always meant to get these to see if there was more GH than the passing reference you mention below.

IIRC there was also a Dungeon adventure tied to the Jozan story but can't remember the title or issue at the moment. As I recall that was ostensibly set in GH (possibly Tenh or Ratik).
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Wed May 07, 2014 11:07 am  

Flint wrote:
Always meant to get these to see if there was more GH than the passing reference you mention below.

IIRC there was also a Dungeon adventure tied to the Jozan story but can't remember the title or issue at the moment. As I recall that was ostensibly set in GH (possibly Tenh or Ratik).


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Thu May 08, 2014 10:17 am  

Found it.

The adventure is Provincial Prior Cause in Dungeon 96. It appears to be set in Ratik in a region called Caledon(?) and is set just before events in The Bloody Eye (the Jozan novel I believe). It's a short and unremarkable adventure that could really be set anywhere but it is clearly intended to be placed in Greyhawk.
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Fri May 09, 2014 6:08 am  

In the same vein, don't forget Scourge of Worlds.
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Wed Jul 09, 2025 12:38 pm  

BUMP!

I thought "Prying Eyes" was an excerpt of "The Bloody Eye", but it's actually a prelude to "The Bloody Eye", set about two years prior (see Calmet's comment to Laud on p. 148). BTW, "Prying Eyes" is actually a decent short story. It's not every fantasy novel that tackles theodicy in a convincing manner.

My attempt to integrate "Prying eyes" and "The Bloody Eye" into Greyhawk canon at a level above Rose Estes follows 😉:

I think the Scaun and the town of Pergue might actually be in the Rakers, outside of the Archbarony of Ratik's territory. There are a lot of references to Pelor worshippers as "southerners" and sometimes the "southern kingdom", presumably the Great Kingdom, which in the old sense, could include the Bone March and Ratik. The human locals' ancestors seem to have worshipped Grummsh for some reason. The meta reason could be that the author didn't actually know that much about Greyhawk, but it's interesting, so I can roll with it. Are the natives Suel? Or maybe Flann who were divorced from their usual pantheon long enough that they'd consider Pelor to be foreign? I don't notice any physical descriptions, so hard to say.

Jozan makes another reference to King Ingemar confiscating the Church of Pelor's lands, and the Grand Master was apparently executed (pp. 15-16). (inspired by the Templars?)

Krusk has a composite bow made from stag's horn, from the Phostwood (p. 31).

Krusk fought in something called the Battle of the Iron Wood (p. 31). I'm not aware of any major battle fought there, but Krusk might think of any action he fought there as a "battle".

Jozan and Alhandra meet some Tiger Nomad (Chakyik) entertainers (pp. 45-46), which I thought unlikely in the northeast Flanaess, although Jozan does lampshade this (they explain that they've been exiled).
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