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You might also think about using the Elder Elemental God as imagined by Gygax -- instead of it simply being an aspect of Tharizdun. I think of the EEG as much more overtly Lovecraftian (tentacled, cy ...

This might help with future timeline questions:

http://www.canonfire.com/cf/ghchrondex.php (note that the link in your browser's left frame is still broken).

But I think the clarification in thi ...

I started with 1E, was hesitant even to go to 2E, and really dubious about 3E...but after a few years using the system, I agree with Cebrion almost 100%.

I go the other route though, cutting the ex ...

I appreciate the input, and if nothing else is forthcoming I'll likely use your suggestions.

But I'd really like to know what was originally envisioned when these weapons with "no equivolent" were ...

In the beginning of the "Greyhawk's Gods" chapter, the overview for the "Weapons" entry talks about proficiency, blunt vs slashing, druidic weapons, etc.

These might still be spell effects, but I'm ...

In the Living Greyhawk Gazeteer, the favored weapons of Tharizdun is listed as the "spiral of decay", and for Istus it's the "web of Istus". Both indicate "no equivolent weapon".

Would someone be ...

LOL!! Thanks, but that's me. Despite GVD's assurances that Greytalk is dead, this thread is a primary example of times where CF produces no results and Greytalk bears fruit.

But for the record, I ...

Does anyone else play 3.X in CY 576?

If so, do you use Mona's "Regional Feats" from Dragon issues 315 & 319?

I'm curious to see what changes y'all've made to reflect a pre-Wars Flanaess. I' ...

Having just looked over another relevant thread (here: Prestige Classes allow DMs to create campaign-specific, exclusive roles and positions as classes...the character must meet nonrule-related requir ...

Wow, great stuff, thanks!

I'm not sure how long it will be until I get around to it. At this point it's looking like close to a year before we'll be ready for that -- quite different from my thoug ...

I have no idea how it would affect this discussion, but don't forget that Oerth is huge compared to Earth. See Roger Moore's article in OJ3 for details.

For shadow dancers, you might consider providing alternate stats for the NPC as a shade. Certainly not an exact fit, but it'd retain the flavor.

MMMmmm...flavor...

Well, I think DMPrata's got an excellent point. Also, I think your shorthand stat blocks sound like a great idea.

IIRC, the main flame war of late was regarding a very valid issue of IP/Copyright rights which were violated again and again by the same individual. Since you're new to the Greyhawk online community, ...

Greytalk is all but dead. It is home mainly to flamewars over content theft. Where once it may have been host to vital GH discussions, it is now home to flames, off topic posts, odd rants and the purs ...

While I agree that the verdict on Mona is still out, I'm strongly leaning toard agreeing with jwb3. So far, I'm able to base my opinion on a decent amount of work he's produced:

- The Whispering ...

Wow, excellent ideas GVD!!

You really tie up several items I always considered a bit shaky as well. Absolutely gonna use this IMC.

Nellisir said:

I think simpler names that people (readers) find suggestive of the Underdark are better than names that need to be explained to have any meaning.

Yeah, good point. I vote for L ...

Thanks Grodog!

I got wrapped up in school (and it's not really fair to make Thanael do all the work), so this got temporarily shelved, but I plan on resurrecting it this Fall.

Incidientally, I'm ...

Scottenkainen said:

If you're writing an article for Canonfire! Otherwise, everyone should be picking and choosing what they want or need from canon. The orchard is full of beautiful fruit, but why ...

Heya BT,

I think we're on the same page now, so no harm no foul.

You've got some great ideas from what I've seen so far. Don't feel like a scavenger -- you're already contributing a lot more th ...

Ha! btgrover, great example of what I was afraid of!

I think your misconceptions are very common among those who just reject canon outright. I don't think most of us are as married to it as you s ...

I dunno...maybe I'm a bit too on the fence about canon, but I just don't really see the usefulness of quantifying it like this.

1) Good luck getting everyone to agree to one system.
2) Can you ima ...

Personally, I'd lean toward a name that had nothing to do with the Hateful Wars. After all, we're only talking about 100 years(ish), and with the long lives of many denizens of the area this ain't no ...

Kiah, I'd recommend posting this question to Greyson's "Triple Topic Postfest" thread. I'm sure the Admins will reply to you.

I think the answer will be a resounding yes, you can definitely do tha ...

I think Skech meant Scourge of the Slave Lords, instead of just collecting A1, A2, A3, and A4. You get a lot more introductory material that's really pretty good. You also get some encounters en rou ...

Personally, it's the time involved. Even using the modules, I already feel woefully short on time I can devote to prep-work.

I definitely create my own adventures as well, but being able to also r ...

AFAIK, it's never detailed. I've got RttToEE, but don't recall seeing anything in there about the gem fragments.

Sorry Reiken, I'm not aware of a map of Niole Dra, either. You might try starting with a map of another city with strong Suloise ties, like maybe Leukish (I *think* that was one of the cities mapped ...

The first reference to the Suel Lich that I recall is from Poly #101.

As Crag said, I see the demihumans of the Flanaess as very active, with modern Celene as a notable exception. The gnomes of the Kron Hills have certainly stuck up for themselves with Verbobonc. Sunn ...

Ha! That's funny, Erik, BTGrover and I were just discussing whether or not G-D was Vaati.

I was leaning toward "no", as the Soul Gem seemed very evil to me. But BT pointed out that G-D could have ...

Anced, I'll be PMing you as well. Happy

btgrover, I'm very interested in what info you use for Tzunk. He/she/it is one of those enigmas that's just a legend to me still. I admit that I'm tota ...

Hey Vasiliy,

Thanael and I began working on such a compiled list toward the end of this year, but it remains incomplete. You can see what we've compiled (mostly just took references from disparate ...

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Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!

I plan to run my PCs through "The City Beyond the Gate", but thought I'd add a little spice by placing a slight sci-fi spin on it. Nothing too outrageous, but if I run it as written, us modern folk w ...

So GVD, are you trying to figure out where Yarth is from in general, or specifically the tie-in with Sagard?

Either way, I'm no help. I think you've already corrected my mistaken impression of Aer ...

Well, I sorta stumbled onto this:

http://www.the-underdogs.org/showbook.php?id=19

Looks like you can download the 4 Sagard gamebooks for free. :-) They're a bit difficult to read the way they' ...

Wow, thanks folks, lots to choose from. A few questions though:

callmeAndydammit, do you have any idea what the code is for Plea from Beyond the Grave?? If not, do you know what year, is it COR.. ...

Thanks much Simpi, I'll check 'em out!

What are some of the best Living Greyhawk scenarios you've seen?

My favorites so far are the Absolute Power adventures by Iquander (River of Blood and As He Lay Dying), but there's an AWFUL lot out ...

I just think it's odd that the question hasn't crossed my mind before...*shrug*

EDIT: Perhaps The Marklands has more. There wasn't much about pre-Wars Almor in Ivid the Undying.

Actually, The Marklands has 3 pages on Almor, Ivid has 7. I also checked under the brief Almor ent ...

I don't know off the top of my head, but you might want to check out Ivid the Undying, as that covers several locations in old Almor.

Good luck!

Thanks much Greyson, that would rock!

Agreed, GREAT news!!

Good stuff!!! But...how does one browse to the rest of the Mysterious Places articles? I poked around and can only find the articles on languages, gods, and Keoland.

Tying in Anced's fireside tale angle, it'd be incredibly easy to muddy the waters so nobody knows what's really true.

How many people believe the SB was actually responsible for Ivid's demise and ...

For the drow and kuo-toans, you've basically got what the rest of us do, Bedivere. But for personages from artifact descriptions, it varies a lot.

- Obviously there's a lot of info on Vecna and K ...

Woesinger, this rocks! Great job!!

What I love the most is that several things reverted back to the way they were in the original boxed set. :-) But your changes are great -- the Second Turmoil ...

Hey, I'm with you jwb3, I totally feel the same way. I'm not gonna use any of the things I wrote, but it was a fun excercize anyway.

So go ahead, we won't tell anyone in your campaign. Give her ...

LOL!! Your timing couldn't be better on this. It's actually the next issue, #124. Here's the blurb from the current Dungeon issue:

Maure Castle: Chambers of Antiquities - by Robert J. Kuntz

...

If i were to destroy it, I'd turn it into a multiverse-wide event. One of the big planar forces decides to make their move on the power source that is Oerth, and comparable forces move in to counter ...

In addition to what Greyson provided, you might also want to check out the Vathris entry in "The Blood of Heroes", Living Greyhawk Journal #3.

Check out this recent short thread:

http://www.canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1248&sid=5823543f3e6e7f3acc7040e6379563f6

Happy

Absolutely correct, Theala. The 1st Edition compilation of A1-4 was called Scourge of the Slavelords, and has some tenuous ties to make a mega-adventure out of ToEE, A1-4, and the GDQ modules. I don ...

1) it gave a timeline to Vecna's rise, empire, wars with the elves, and subsequent death at hands of Kas.

Ah, but why solve one of the most-disputed pieces of Greyhawk lore? Where's the fun in th ...

Wow...um...er...yeah, I guess it was the Nihonese reference. Sorry about that.

But anyone interested in good material for Beyond the Flanaess info, check out Nellisir's Lo Nakar article:

http:/ ...

LOL!! Great idea, Anced. I like Nellisir's reasoning, but I'll have to add the flavor of your suggestion to my campaign in other places. Wonderful!

~Bas (as in, Delicious)

PS - On topic, it's been floated that the Suel are also "alien" deities. I like the idea, and previously floated the notion that the Suel powers are actually the last survivors of the City of Glass ov ...

Oh, keep in mind, when I say "in decline"...I still like the idea of the Olman civilization being alive and well and just deep within the Amedio today. Maybe I should have said "at the peak of their ...

Hey Nell, how's that cloaker kingdom coming along? Wink

I suppose you're right. If the demand for the items was great enough, politics could have played a big role in getting the tunnel underw ...

What Skech said, but here's some additional info:

- The 2nd Ed. module Skech referenced was WG12 Vale of the Mage. You can download a PDF of it for $5.00 from RPGNow.com:
ton of info, but enough ...

Thanks for the input, Crag. I guess my concern is still that the tunnel would have been a major undertaking, and I can't see it being worth the resources for just a trade post. Not sure if you're fa ...

Another thing I forgot to mention that I'd love help with is figuring out how the Olman interacted with this Suel city, what they think of the ruins today (haunted? Olman dwelling within them? unkno ...

Thanks GVD!! I'm not against breaking with canon at all, but my own preference is to skirt it. ;-) I try to explore things that weren't touched on in canon, or were only hinted at, or were left kin ...

I'd love to help work on a project like this. While a postfest is also a good idea, I like the idea of a group project, similar to what Nellisir suggested for UnderOerth. But either way, count me in ...

Hey Scott, I loved your article, and for those who haven't read it, it's extremely relevant:

http://www.canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=364

Personally, I believe this is ...

I wasn't really trying to say it was a brand new concept as of Savage Species, just that it's a readily available sourcebook for 3.X for some further thoughts on it. I know some of the 3E rules were ...

I agree with Vormaerin. I'd really recommend keeping the hordes as is, but I can understand the problem that presents with game mechanics if your party decides to charge in blindly.

If you wanna p ...

While opinion varies greatly on it, I really enjoyed Return to the ToEE. I don't hold with the EEG/Big T connection, but enjoyed the module nonetheless.

Although Savage Species is technically 3.0, ...

Nope, sorry, but the drow female/crab combo you mentioned sure sounds to me like Blib-dool-poolp (kuo-toan goddess). I'm very interested in aquatic campaign ideas, so please be sure to share whatever ...

Thanks! Glad I could help. Smile

I'd say both. It would vary from city to city, depending upon the influence of each god in that particular city. You might even have an independent temple to Zodal that contains a shrine to Rao, sin ...

I like Wolfsire's suggestions, using this as an opportunity to encourage the PC to court the favor of churches, or even druids. In Masters of the Wild, druids have herbal concoctions (?sp) called Inf ...

IIRC, the supplement states it could be used either as a post-GDQ state of events, or as an alternate to the D/Q modules. I could be remembering that incorrectly, but personally the very LAST canon m ...

my question is do the Cruski, Fruz and Schnai still 'know' or care where they came from and what their races' history is?

I'd say that at least some of them are aware. In recent years, the Frost B ...

The LGG is great, packed with info, but I've heard complaints that it reads like a textbook (I loved it).

You can buy it almost-new on the Amazon Marketplace for $5.00 + shipping -- use the link on ...

And you're definitely not alone in playing Greyhawk with a non-D&D game mechanic. I agree, all of these would be a lot more appealing to me too:

I want character writeups, story arcs, campaign ide ...

Yeah, I gotta agree with Anced Math. As much as I, personally, could care less if there's yet another rehash of Greyhawk source material (see my prior post in this thread), I think it's needed if it' ...

Wow, I gave up on SVGames updating their PDFs a long time ago. I must have bought mine prior to the addition of the poster map, because I double-checked it prior to my post.

FYI for Yeoman, I *thi ...

I just checked, and the PDF that RPGNow sells of Iuz the Evil doesn't contain the poster map either. I was hoping that'd be a good alternative for ya.

For the record, The Marklands also came with ...

Wow, Scottenkainen's here, but a novice? I mean, makes sense, but it's odd.

~basiliv

Yak-Men have several uses for Greyhawk novels, but they can't be posted to this forum.

P.S. Scott, I'll ...

Firepower, it's YOUR campaign. I firmly believe you should run it as you see best. In the end, I think the most common outcome among debates like this is that the Hawkers just agree to disagree.

...

But all things considered, I'd have to agree with the comment that the XP expenditure rule for creating magic items shouldn't be strictly applied to NPCs. It's a game balance mechanic for PCs, but a l ...

Yeah, I've gotta agree with chatdemon and callmeAndydammit. I don't like rules that apply to the PCs and not NPCs. I also like the callmeAndydammit's explanation that it's the same thing as spell th ...

Actually, I spent an hour digging deeper prior to my post, but I'm done so I'll take your word for it. Wink

That just blows.

Let me rephrase my question. Since the only NPC Class that is a spellcaster is the Adept, are you assuming that all NPC Spellcasters that make a career out of crafting magic items are adepts? If so, ...

Okay, maybe I'm just missing it. How does a non-adventuring spellcaster replenish the lost XP from creating magic items? Are there rules in 3.5 that cover how to advance without adventuring?

Even ...

Personally, I could care less about whether another GH core sourcebook is produced for 3.5. New information or adventures? Certainly. But yet another rehashing of the folio/boxed set/FtA/Player's G ...

Okay, ya got me. What's a wikis??

Okay, so I usually keep to these forums instead of those on the Wizards site. Would somebody gimme a link please? I poked around and couldn't find what yer referencing.

Vormaerin, my only complai ...

For those not familiar with the article, there's some great Greyhawk background info on the derro, jermalaine, skulks, lerara, and suel dopplegangers in an article Roger Moore wrote for Dragon. It's ...

Well said, Vormaerin. I agree completely, and I also really like your idea about everything being made to order. I've been trying to add a more medieval feel to my campaign, using some of the materi ...

Oh, and congrads, Firepower, on your recent Journeyman status! I'm jealous, but working on it. Wink

Yeah, I always loved those articles. Glad you could use them!

In my current campaign, I've got a 9th level rogue (future Shadow Dancer) that poses as a failed befuddled wizard that runs one of tho ...

I actually run into the opposite problem that Phoebus indicated:

What edition do you play?

If you play 3rd edition player wealth (including purchasing potions, scrolls, wands, magic weapons etc. ...

I gotta agree with Yabusama, at least to a degree. IMHO, allowing characters to just walk into a shop and "stock up" really makes the whole thing more like a video game than an role-playing experienc ...

Er, woops!! Guess that's what the little Preview button is for, huh?

As I said above, there are reasons that I play just off the border of the map (Lo Nakar in the Sea of Dust, Mhajapor in the Vohoun, Nuatuverg in the Icy Sea...

Nuatuverg?? I loved your Lo Nakar & ...