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    Wondering if anyone can tell me the Maneuvering Ratings
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    Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:57 pm  
    Wondering if anyone can tell me the Maneuvering Ratings

    Hello all

    Maybe I am not reading the books correctly or I am looking in the wrong place on the web but I can not see anything that tells me what the flying Maneuver class ratings for the Wraith, Spector, Stirge, Homonculus, Giant Pterosaur, and the Level II:Herzou demon are in the Monster Manual 1. Also in the Monster Manual 2, the Maneuver class ratings for the raven and the hawk as well as the Nonaton Modron seem to be missing and I can't find anything for errata anymore that fixes this.

    any help or advice would be most welcome!!!
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    Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:26 am  

    Because of the publication history, none of the creatures in Monster Manual (published 1977) have maneuverability classes listed. That attribute was introduced in Dungeon Masters Guide (published 1979). The Monster Manual II entries are omissions, as you noted. There’s no official 1st Edition answer to your question, but the 2nd Edition Monstrous Compendiums statted these creatures as follows:

    Maneuverability class B: hawk, homonculous, raven, spectre, wraith
    Maneuverability class C: stirge
    Maneuverability class D: pterosaurus

    The hezrou doesn’t fly.
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    Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:05 am  
    Thanks very the great reply

    Thank you so much for that information. I hope my follow up question is not an an opening to a big debate but I am wondering if 2nd edition is 1st edition cleaned up or if it is a whole new game?
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    Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:52 pm  
    Re: Thanks very the great reply

    LordEnoch wrote:
    Thank you so much for that information. I hope my follow up question is not an an opening to a big debate but I am wondering if 2nd edition is 1st edition cleaned up or if it is a whole new game?

    To those of us playing 1st Edition in 1989, 2nd Edition seemed like a radically different game. In retrospect, they’re probably the two closest editions of the game.
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    Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:13 pm  
    This is great information

    I will see what kind of a monster I can try to create by mixing the 2 when needed
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