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    Site Theocrat

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    Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:20 pm  
    Greyhawk Online is ***NOT*** Closing

    Hi all -
    E-mails to those that have sites on GHO will be going out today as well.
    I can't afford the hosting. It's been fun, but GreyhawkOnline.com, OerthJournal.com and ThePale.org will be closing down in the next day or so - when I turn off the paypal account.
    If/when I can have them back up maybe I will. Please download all that you need before the end of the weekend.
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    Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:30 pm  

    Donations fail? SSM may have some bucks to help out with. Emphasis on MAY, haha.
    CF Admin

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:39 am  

    I posted this to Facebook and ENWorld.

    If Greyhawk-related bloggers could pick it up, we may be able to spread the word and generate more donations too.

    I can also cover the immediate hosting costs for the next month, while we try to sort through better/cheaper hosting options.
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    Allan Grohe (grodog@gmail.com)
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:46 am  

    I would be willing to cover the hosting of the sites. I would need to see how much bandwith is being generated though, to determine the costs.

    The only condition I would have would be that the domains are tranfered to my prefered provider.

    PM me if you are interested.
    Journeyman Greytalker

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:01 am  

    Unfortunately, donations don't help, unless you are a truly massive site with thousands of users (like Enworld) and an aggressive fund-raising program (like Enworld). Why pay for something that is free! Everything on the internet is free, right? I keep Maldin's Greyhawk for fun, and expect nothing in return (except maybe a pat on the back once in a while LOL), however I've had a Paypal "Donate" button on my website for a couple of years now, and have never not once ever received a donation. That, despite it being one of the most popular Greyhawk websites on the net, right there at the top of Google searches using a number of parameters, including far more generic searches than "Greyhawk" (like "underdark" or "RPG mapping"). Fortunately I have a real job that pays ok to support my hobbies. ;)

    Denis, aka "Maldin"
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:26 am  

    Closing down Cry

    Sorry to hear it; a selfish question, what happens to the OJ journal Question
    Journeyman Greytalker

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:38 am  

    I fail to understand how people can just standby and not support something that they have had the benefit of for so long .... THAT IS WHAT IS REALLY SAD! Confused

    I am willing to see if I can take the site hosting over but it all boils down to how much it costs and if I can get a better rate. Our currency Rand vs. Doller is almost $1 = R7.50 which is not great.

    For me the bottom line is I have had the benefit of the use of all the great material that has been available on these sites and not I can give back.

    So why dont the rest of you DO THE RIGHT THING and GIVE BACK A LITTLE!
    A little can go a far way!

    Many of you may not like the tone of my post, Sorry but it is the truth I have seen the same thing on many different sites. Everyone loves things for free, but dont ask for a little help or a small donation, the only thing you will see is the empty forum thread that you have started!

    If the cost is too great to host the sites then lets look at alternatives, maybe we can consolodate things into one site. I am sure that there are other options.

    From myside I am willing to help where I can.
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:53 am  
    Alternative to Hosting Your Own

    What about moving the site to myspace or facebook and using links for .pdf downloads from file sharing sites? Wouldn't that be free?
    Journeyman Greytalker

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:03 am  

    There are all sorts of reasons why Myspace and Facebook are not the place to host anything, not the least of which are their terms of service (anybody ever read them? I have!) and the complete inflexibility of an extremely messy and distinctly unfriendly format. Myself, I've already directly offered to host parts of GHO to the individuals concerned.

    Also, I see on Enworld that Morrus has offered the possibility that he may be able to help. Issak... check out the Enworld thread and contact Morrus. I don't know what he plans on proposing.

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:10 am  

    Damn the economy. Love the site, wish I could help. Sad

    Having spoken with Issak, I know his situation isn't much better than mine.

    This is not sad news . . . this is terrible news. Cry
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:33 am  

    Here's the ENWorld thread:
    http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/303075-greyhawk-online-com-oerthjournal-com-danger-shutting-down.html
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    Allan Grohe (grodog@gmail.com)
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:24 am  

    I would be willing to donate some money...maybe it would be good to set up a fundraiser?
    best,
    kikai
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:16 pm  

    Anyone wishing to donate merely needs to go to the site and click on the paypal link.

    And welcome to Canonfire! Kikai! Happy
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:28 pm  

    Just saw mention of this on EN World.

    If there's anything those of us at the Dragonlance Nexus can do to help, please let me know via e-mail (trampas at dragonhelm dot net). Plus I'm sure you'd get some support from the folks at The Piazza.
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 2:24 pm  

    Wow, loosing that site would be a tragedy. And such short notice. There must be something that can be done?

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    Journeyman Greytalker

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:22 pm  

    How much is needed to keep the site running?
    GreySage

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:34 pm  

    I fervently hope that the Oerth Journal, Grodog's website, and Mortellan's comic find new hosting soon, but from all appearances Issak was paying far more than he needed to. I'd rather a new host was found than see anyone continuing to be gouged.
    Journeyman Greytalker

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 6:31 pm  

    I use one.com to host my domain. I just checked and a domain account with 3000MB of storage would be $50/year.

    I'm willing to pay that sum for a year, to keep the site running. It is a Danish company but I think they do host for people and businesses from lots of countries.

    PM me if you like.

    //Anna
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 7:43 pm  

    How much is it for the year I'm willing to donate and I would suggest placing a commentary just before the donate button as such.

    Please note the fan material provided on this site is free. However hosting services are not. Your donations will be used to continue hosting this site and making it available to all fans of Greyhawk.

    Thank you

    The Theocrat Issak

    Too bad we did not know sooner but let us know I like your Pale stuff alot and would hate to see it go bye bye.
    Adept Greytalker

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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:36 pm  

    Let's nip something in the bud right now. I see that Morrus of enworld has offered to help/possibly help. If that's the case, as a prolific contributor to this site in the past, I would demand that ALL connections between GHO and CF be severed.

    ENWorld is a for profit business enterprise that is predominantly funded by idiots so addicted to it that they wont let it fail, as it should have years ago. Those donations go into Morrus' pocket.

    The material on this site cannot be used to earn anyone money, no matter how indirectly, GHO was never about that.
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:44 pm  

    chatdemon wrote:
    Let's nip something in the bud right now. I see that Morrus of enworld has offered to help/possibly help. If that's the case, as a prolific contributor to this site in the past, I would demand that ALL connections between GHO and CF be severed.

    ENWorld is a for profit business enterprise that is predominantly funded by idiots so addicted to it that they wont let it fail, as it should have years ago. Those donations go into Morrus' pocket.

    The material on this site cannot be used to earn anyone money, no matter how indirectly, GHO was never about that.


    I agree.
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:26 pm  

    Let me just add this:

    We, the gh community, owe Issak/Theocrat a great debt for his time and money over the better part of the last decade in keeping GHO running and lending server support to CF's file hosting.

    Join me in wishing him and his family the best in tough times.
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    Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:29 pm  

    rasgon wrote:
    I fervently hope that the Oerth Journal, Grodog's website, and Mortellan's comic find new hosting soon, but from all appearances Issak was paying far more than he needed to. I'd rather a new host was found than see anyone continuing to be gouged.


    There are other options.

    I have asked for some information that is needed to determine which solution would best suite the needs og GHO and the rest of the sites.
    The OJ Site would be a high bandwidth site as lots of people would down load from it.

    Once we get the relative information we can see which provider has the best offering. Other things to look at is reducing file sizes, consolodating past editions of OJ in one zip file that they could be downloaded as a pack. This can be stored on a file sharing site.

    I think someone here at Canonfire should take leadership of what we are trying to do, someone that is in contact with Issak on a daily basis.

    I would also suggested that no one donate anything yet until we have a proper plan going forward and goal set. So if the goal is tranfer the sites to a new host and get funds in to cover the costs for the next 3 years then lets focus on that. We get the costs, we start a donation pole so that we can see how much is needed and we raise the money and pay the provider for the 3 years upfront. - They should give a discount for that.
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    Sat Mar 19, 2011 12:02 am  

    RE: OJ Downloads backup site

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    Posts like this one(and others) might give everyone a clue as to why those decisions were made.


    http://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5749


    Since you're such an expert on why I'm not qualified to fund this site, or any affiliated with it, I'll leave the task of finding a new home for the OJ files to you. Have fun.
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    Black Hand of Oblivion

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    Sat Mar 19, 2011 3:08 am  

    I would like to Thank Isaak for funding GHO for all of these years. How many dozens of D&D books/adventures he passed over due to GHO expenses we'll never know. I raise my glass to you sir!

    chatdemon wrote:
    The material on this site cannot be used to earn anyone money, no matter how indirectly, GHO was never about that.


    Excepting the authors themselves, who would still of course need to remove any IP before doing so. Excepting that little bit, I am in complete agreement. Canonfire! has only ever reserved the right to hosting submitted material, but not make money off of it.

    I haven't had a chance to chat with others in detail about this development yet, nor much time to back-up much of the GHO site files yet. As my current "high speed" connection leaves a bit to be desired at this time, thanks for setting up The Oerth Journal files as you have. I wish I had more than a couple days warning on this.
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