Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:45 pm Post subject: Serfdom in Greyhawk?
Does any of the kingdoms practice serfdom? That is, making slaves of the farmers and have them work the land for you. It's part of Feudalism. Granted there are freemen in the world of Oerth, but there also must be serfs, right?
Yes. If I recall correctly the Great Kingdom, Furyondy, and Nyrond all practiced serfdom based on the Carl Sergeant supplements. I suspect this is pretty common in Oeridian lands in general, so the smaller Oeridian states probably do as well. Of course, post Greyhawk Wars, this might changes, much in the way the Black Death increased the value of labor, giving serfs more negotiating power.
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:54 pm Post subject:
Yes, most of them. Some are less beneficent than others, and of those some are that way by design and others by necessity. Greyhawk is not a world of democracies, republics, or constitutional monarchies, but one of predominantly feudal monarchies and theocracies. And there are tyrants. Lots of tyrants. The Yeomanry is the most obvious exception, being a nation of freemen. _________________ - Moderator/Admin (in some areas)/Member -
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I'd also recommend reading Tuchmann's A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century. It gives an overview of peasant life, specifically in France at the time, with its ups-and-downs. Also, Tuchmann is a fantastic author, and her work is very readable.
On review for another project, based on Marklands it appears that Furyondy and Nyrond have been moving in degrees to tenancy with regards to their peasants. The nobility would prefer rents and free tenants have the ability to negotiate their arrangements. There are portions of both countries that are closer to serfdom, however, I think the Viscounty of the March was noted. This is not to say tenants have modern landlord-lessee relationships. There are still a variety of feudal obligations, but most are not tied to the land for life.
The Great Kingdom is still practicing serfdom per Ivid the Undying.
Could be that the Great Kingdom of Ahlissa is practicing serfdom out of tradition than need. The Great Kingdom still is a feudalistic country. As for the other two, mayhap they sense change coming to the Flanaess. Perhaps plague?
In my opinion, serfdom is the traditional Aerdian system, and the Great Kingdom uses it as a means of control. In my vision, Furyondy and Veluna moved away from it over the last couple of centuries slowly, as it was better to receive rents in kind or money than deal with serfs. Similarly, Nyrond began moving away, and may have completely ended the practice legally by reading between the lines, though I think this would have been more to get cash rents for the nobles and king than anything. The Overking did not have an efficient or largely trustworthy administration so simply calling upon his nobles for revenues was probably easier, and most of them probably saw no reason to change a system that kept them in power.
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