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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 10:47 am    Post subject: Minor, obscure Deities Reply with quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greyhawk_deities

Besides some of the hero-deities in Living Greyhawk Journal #3, I found two other deities that didn't make it on the list:

Kazakh: A LE deity of wealth and trickery worshipped by monks in Hepmonaland. Sort of like Tezcatlipoca, but LE ("The Leopard Men", Dungeon Magazine #22, p. 15).

Red Fox: A CG Rover deity, simlar to the American Indian Coyote, but CG ("Ghost Dance", Dungeon Magazine #32, p. 62).

Assuming that these are demi gods or hero deities would explain their relative obscurity, although Red Fox, semi-omniscience might make him a very obscure lesser god.

Any others?
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There's a longer list here.
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Red Fox is on the list...

I seem to remember Chaav and Urbanus being in one of the D&D 3.5 expansion books, but I've never seen them for Greyhawk. Same thing for some of the non-human deities. I've never heard of Ayailla, Cas, Estanna, Lastai, or Phieran.

Zol Darklock comes from castle Greyhawk. Nuff' said. Wink

Here's the definitive list I use:

http://files.meetup.com/349156/Living%20Greyhawk%20Dieties.pdf

I don't have Beyond the Crystal Cave, so the Green Man is a legitimate find!
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I find a few missing from both lists.
  • Akwamon: Len Lakofka’s lost deity, the son of Xerbo and Osprem
  • Apocatequil and Xilonen: mentioned in Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan
  • Baalzephon/“Baalzy”: the false deity of the Great Kingdom
  • Dorgha Torgu: Gygax’s fallen Baklunish deity
  • Ereshkigal: from Return to the Keep on the Borderlands
  • Sarthis: yuan-ti deity from Treasures of Greyhawk
  • St. Bane: from DRAGON #79
  • most demons and devils, the slaad lords, and the elemental princes of evil
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I find a few missing from both lists... Akwamon: Len Lakofka’s lost deity, the son of Xerbo and Osprem… Dorgha Torgu: Gygax’s fallen Baklunish deity...

-Oh yeah. I Forgot them.

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I find a few missing from both lists... Baalzephon/“Baalzy”: the false deity of the Great Kingdom ...most demons and devils, the slaad lords, and the elemental princes of evil.

-Yeah, them too. A whole overlooked category. They're generally lesser gods by default. Off the cuff, wasn't Baalzy a devil, but not necessarily a prince?

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I find a few missing from both lists... Sarthis: yuan-ti deity from Treasures of Greyhawk...

-I have Treasures of Greyhawk, but I missed that one...

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I find a few missing from both lists... Apocatequil and Xilonen:[/b] mentioned in Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan...


...ditto. After checking to make sure it wasn't just an alternate name for an already listed deity, it looks like Apocatequil was Inca, not Mesoamerican.

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St. Bane: from DRAGON #79

-Is he considered a deity in his own right, now? That was the same article that introduced Ceril and Kargoth, IIRC. Last time I checked, Bane was still a servant for Pelor, Ceril for Pholtus (or was it St. Cuthbert?), and Kargoth is one of Demogorgon's death knights (there were two Dragon articles detailing each of them).

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I find a few missing from both lists...Ereshkigal: from Return to the Keep on the Borderlands

-Dubious provenance. Wink
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I seem to remember Chaav and Urbanus being in one of the D&D 3.5 expansion books, but I've never seen them for Greyhawk. Same thing for some of the non-human deities. I've never heard of Ayailla, Cas, Estanna, Lastai, or Phieran.


Yeah, it depends on how expansive a view you have of what "Greyhawk" is. By the "generic 3.0 and 3.5 stuff are loosely Greyhawk" metric, they belong on the list, but of course, you're not required to use them in your own campaign by any means.

But if you need/want some new minor demigods, these are available and not claimed by any other campaign setting. Some of them have canonical connections to those Greyhawk gods used in core 3.x products. Some of them could be used as gods of distant lands beyond the Flanaess, or they might be variant aspects of more familiar gods. Or you could ignore them entirely.

Book of Vile Darkness: Karaan, Rallaster, the Patient One, Scahrossar, the Xammux, Yeathan
Book of Exalted Deeds: Ayailla, Chaav, Estanna, Lastai, Phieran, Valarian
Deities & Demigods: Taiia, Elishar, Toldoth, Dennari
Frostburn: Aengrist, Hleid, Iborighu, Levistus, Telchur, Thrym, Vatun
Heroes of Horror: Cas
Libris Mortis: Afflux, Doresain, Evening Glory, Nerull, Orcus
Lords of Madness: Aboleth pantheon: Bolothamogg, Holashner, Piscaethces, Shothotugg, Y'chak. Aberration deities: the Great Mother, Ilsensine, Mak Thuum Ngatha, the Patient One, Tharizdun
Races of Destiny: Urbanus, Zarus, the Illumian pantheon

Races of Stone and Races of the Wild also include some new nonhuman deities I'm not going to bother typing out right now.

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Zol Darklock comes from castle Greyhawk. Nuff' said. Wink


Other deities mentioned in WG7 include Genericus Brant the Universally Bland, Aunt Bee (demon queen of bees), and Su Shi (goddess of raw fish).

There are also some deities that only appear in Andre Norton's novel Quag Keep.


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Apocatequil and Xilonen: mentioned in Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan


The Scarlet Brotherhood (page 64) claims that Apocatequil is another name for Tezcatlipoca. I think that Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan is unclear whether Xilonen is supposed to be a true deity or merely the name of the polyp encountered in the dungeon. But both are worth mentioning for completeness's sake.

I have complex thoughts about Olman deities that I wrote about in this thread at the Piazza.

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The gods mentioned in C1 The Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan (1980) are a grab bag of Aztec and Maya deities, born of historical research without replicating a single real-world culture.

The "Olman pantheon" described in the wiki article (which I wrote) was my attempt at listing every Olman deity I could find mentioned in official sources, but it shouldn't be viewed as exhaustive or prescriptive. Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan mentions many deities that it leaves unnamed. The Olman pantheon detailed in The Scarlet Brotherhood (1999) is different in some ways from C1's, based more on other AD&D sources than on C1 and merging some deities treated as separate in C1.

For the wiki, I limited myself to gods specifically named in official sources, but noted where some of the unnamed gods closely resembled gods named elsewhere. In the articles for the gods themselves, I combined information found in Greyhawk sources with information on those gods found in other D&D sources (which makes the entry for Tlazoteotl seem schizophrenic, since the Living Greyhawk gods document calls her neutral but other D&D sources have her as chaotic evil).

It's not even clear, judging strictly from C1, if all of the gods mentioned there are intended to be viewed as gods or if they're just the names the local Olman gave to various kinds of monsters. The Scarlet Brotherhood offered a different, smaller pantheon and the Living Greyhawk Official Listing of Deities for Use in the Campaign attempted to combine the two sources through the lens of Erik Mona's personal campaign, ignoring other D&D sources on those deities.

For example, C1 has a room with a statue of Xipe, "our lord of flayed skins," which is a pretty obvious reference to the real Aztec deity Xipe Totec. Except in the module, Xipe is the name of an ogre mage who lives there. Was he named after the god? Does the existence of an ogre mage named Xipe imply that the Olman worship the god Xipe Totec? Who knows?

There's another room in C1 called "Bed of Xilonen," named after the real Aztec goddess Xilonen or Chicomecoatl. Except in C1, Xilonen is the name of a giant polyp worshiped as Xilonen. So does a real goddess by that name exist on Oerth or is it just the name of a polyp?

A room in C1 labeled "Tlazoteotl, mother goddess of the earth" contains a gibbering mouther. So is Tlazoteotl named after a real goddess, or is it just the name of the gibbering mouther? We know there are other cases of Olmans worshiping non-divine beings as gods. A "greater gibbering mouther" called Xuxeteanlahucuxolazapaminaco is god-king of a nation in the Amedio jungle, but isn't actually divine. The gargantuan ape Oonga is worshiped as a god on the Isle of the Ape, though he's just a big gorilla.

There's a mummified centaur in C1 identified as "the sacred offspring of Chitza-Atlan, the guardian of the gateway of the underworld." There's no historical deity with that name, and C1 doesn't claim that Chitza-Atlan is a deity (the mummy is said to be deferential to Zotz, the bat-god), but that didn't stop the Living Greyhawk Official Listing of Deities from including Chitza-Atlan as an Olman demigod. It's a valid interpretation, but not the only possible one.

Dungeon #209 says of the Olman, "Long ago, a human culture worshiped not only powers from the Astral Sea, but also a collection of primal spirits, fey creatures, vampires, and even monstrosities of the Far Realm... All that is currently left of the Olman civilization are the scattered tribes of their degenerated descendants, now prone to Demogorgon worship and savagery."

For these reasons, I recommend you read the wiki entry with a grain of salt at the ready. The more cohesive Aztec pantheon offered by David Schwartz in Dragon #352-358 is probably a better source than relying on Greyhawk-specific references. The wiki has my best attempt at describing the gods mentioned in official sources, but official sources don't imply that those are the only gods, and they can be contradictory and fragmentary anyway. So don't take the wiki as dogma.

As Cthulhudrew said, the Olman are pretty much just Aztecs (although they have a specific history on Oerth involving Demogorgon and the kopru destroying their civilization, and groups like the Tanaroans and the Atem are fantasy cultures based much less on any historical people), so any source on the Aztecs is going to be useful.

The Scarlet Brotherhood makes a few gods like Tlaloc and Camazotz particularly relevant to the Olman and their history, so you'd want to use them if you're making use of The Scarlet Brotherhood accessory. Many of the other gods could be used or not used depending on the needs of the campaign. For example, Huitzilopochtli was a major real-world Aztec god, but he's not specifically mentioned in any Greyhawk source. C1 may allude to him, but it's unclear. So do the Olman worship Huitzilopochtli? Basically, they do if you want them to.
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rasgon wrote:

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Zol Darklock comes from castle Greyhawk. Nuff' said. Wink


Other deities mentioned in WG7 include Genericus Brant the Universally Bland, Aunt Bee (demon queen of bees), and Su Shi (goddess of raw fish).

My favorite WG7 godling is Kayden, son of Kord. Lakofka's old Suel gods series set Kord up with literally hundreds of offspring and some few demigods, with which subsequent GH authors have done absolutely zilch. It's nice to see one get a mention in WG7 and his role and activities are appropriate for a serious campaign.
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Lakofka's old Suel gods series set Kord up with literally hundreds of offspring and some few demigods, with which subsequent GH authors have done absolutely zilch.


I should note that Living Greyhawk Journal #3 mentioned that the half-orc hero-deity Nazarn was elevated to divinity by Kord after impressing a half-giant descendant of the Brawler.
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rasgon wrote:
DMPrata wrote:
Apocatequil and Xilonen: mentioned in Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan


The Scarlet Brotherhood (page 64) claims that Apocatequil is another name for Tezcatlipoca. I think that Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan is unclear whether Xilonen is supposed to be a true deity or merely the name of the polyp encountered in the dungeon...


-FWIW, Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicomecōātl

...has Xilonen (A.K.A Chicomecoatl) is Tezcatlipoca's wife. I remember seeing somewhere that Apocatequil was an Inca deity. Perhaps Reynold's assumption was that Apocatequil was another name for Tezcatlipoca in the same way that Jupiter (Roman) was another name for Zeus (Greek). Of course, historically, the Inca/Mesoamerican relationship wasn't quite the same thing as the Roman/Greek relationship, but the Olman pantheon doesn't have to exactly follow our history.

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...There are also some deities that only appear in Andre Norton's novel Quag Keep.


-Fire away!

Maybe they could be explained as alternate names for other deities?
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OK, finally sitting at my computer with my GH documents. Compiling GH's gods was probably my first pet project for the setting going back to '95. They're virtually limitless.

The Quag Keep deities are Landron and Om. Online fans in the Nineties made them both LN lesser gods of the "common" pantheon with a lowercase "c." Landron is Order, Winds, and Seasons. Om is Patterns and Totality of Action.

There's a Faranth "Nameless god" in Dungeon #83.

Dungeon #77 has nameless Lacothah and Torhoon gods.

Dungeon #84 has Huhueteotl - Lord of Fire.

#94 has Immshin, Master of Winds, an aspect, servant, or demigod of Obad-Hai.

Skip Williams added Vesperian, patron of the desmodus and lord of nocturnal fliers, in Deep Horizon. (Perhaps a rival of Raxivort? Or the sponsor of the horrible gargoyle subrace in WG9? j/k Evil Grin )

The new gods in Book of Vile Darkness (already mentioned) are totally awesome and perfect for more obscure GH cults.

Rob Kuntz has Nusu-Sa (a Sun God) and Aval (CN Volcanos, demons, fire, dwells on Qaf) in To the City of Brass (4). He has more gods in the Ice Grave module, but those are explicitly Kalibruhn.

Mentzer has more in his Aquaria sources.

The 3e Blackmoor sources could be pillaged.

Gygax created MANY post-TSR. A Mind Flayer god in Hall of Many Panes comes to mind, also Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq and Dorgha Torgu. St Trowbane was a stand in for St Cuthbert, but a fan did a Trowbane write up that's too good not to use and they make a cool trinity with St Carmichael (see B1 & Weining's old Blackmoor article).

Many more in Dungeon mag, all of the CoB spinoffs (City of Brass, Sir Robilar's City of Brass, Fabled City of Brass, The Impossible Eye), Nineties online fanon (Sryndro!), Chainmail, Oerth Journal, Living Greyhawk, d20 products with GH references (Fast Forward Entertainment, Dreadmire, Crucible of Freya, etc.), 4e products with GH gods interacting with new gods, various "GH with the serial numbers scratched off" products, and the countless OSR POD's and convention mods (e.g. RC Pinnell's G4 has the stone giant god Rockfist Rockheart).

Definitely my favorite GH topic to discuss.
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vestcoat wrote:
The Quag Keep deities are Landron and Om. Online fans in the Nineties made them both LN lesser gods of the "common" pantheon with a lowercase "c." Landron is Order, Winds, and Seasons. Om is Patterns and Totality of Action.


Landron was known as Landron-of-the-Inner-Light (page 20). On page 179, his cleric Deav Dyne refers to him as "Him Who Orders the Winds and the Seasons."

Quag Keep also mentioned a goddess called Thera, the Maned Lady (page 41), who was said to be worshiped by nomads. Some of her followers were known as Thera's Maidens.

Thera may be the same as the Unicorn/High Horned Lady/Horned Lady mentioned on pages 50 and 86, or the Horned Lady might be a separate goddess. The Horned Lady is referred to on page 151 as the Horned Lady of the Sword and Shield, and it's noted that her followers have the power of prophecy.

Temple of Tung (page 44). Unclear if Tung is a deity or a place name.

A group called the Fellowship of the Toad was mentioned on page 75, but this seems like a reference to Dave Arneson's Temple of the Frog, and/or Wastri. The Temple of the Frog is mentioned by that name on page 156; it's unclear if this is the same thing, but this time it's definitely a reference to Dave Arneson's scenario.

Powers of the Outer Dark: page 14. They seem to represent the forces of [Evil] Chaos. Also referred to as the Dark, and the Dark Ones.

Great Powers (page 19). Probably the same as the powers of the Outer Dark.

Lords of Law: page 77.

Lords of Chaos (page 117). Probably the same as the powers of the Outer Dark.

Ganclang (page 135). Uncertain if this is supposed to be a god or not, but a character swears by the Brazen Voice of Ganclang.

Faltforth the Suncrown (page 148). "As you say we do not face sand—for which may the abiding aid of Faltforth the Suncrown be praised!"

Page 110: notes on dragon religion. "A man, raised and trained in the precincts of one of the great temple-abbeys, would find consorting with the dragon-folk hard. Those of the scaled and winged kind owned no gods—or demons either. Their own judgment of right and wrong was not that of mankind, and their actions could not be foreseen or measured by those whom they considered lesser beings."

Om is mentioned on page 153: "Did not the priests of Om advance the belief that all action in the world, no matter how small and insignificant, had its part in the making of a pattern determined upon by Powers men could not even begin to fathom with their earthtied senses?" From the context, Om might be a place or philosophy rather than a deity, though this definitely describes a particular religion.

Landron could be another name for Pholtus, and Thera/the Horned Lady could be aspects of Ehlonna. Faltforth the Suncrown could be Pelor. Om could conceivably be Istus, or perhaps Tsolorandril. It's tempting to identify Ganclang with Clangeddin Silverbeard.
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...There's a Faranth "Nameless god" in Dungeon #83.

Dungeon #77 has nameless Lacothah and Torhoon gods...


-"Nameless" could be an already known deity, just unknown to the author. 😉 I assumed that the Lacothah deity in "To Walk beneath the Waves" was Eadro in his Lacothah aspect, but there could be more than one Lacothah deity.

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...Dungeon #84 has Huhueteotl - Lord of Fire...


-Wasn't Huhueteotl covered under the Olman dieties? He is on the Living Greyhawk list: http://files.meetup.com/349156/Living%20Greyhawk%20Dieties.pdf

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...#94 has Immshin, Master of Winds, an aspect, servant, or demigod of Obad-Hai.....


-I missed that one. Which adventure?

vestcoat wrote:
...Skip Williams added Vesperian, patron of the desmodus and lord of nocturnal fliers, in Deep Horizon. (Perhaps a rival of Raxivort? Or the sponsor of the horrible gargoyle subrace in WG9? j/k Evil Grin )...


-I'm not familiar with Deep Horizon. But Skip Williams? Ugh.

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...RobKuntz has Nusu-Sa (a Sun God) and Aval (CN Volcanos, demons, fire, dwells on Qaf) in To the City of Brass (4)... A Mind Flayer god in Hall of Many Panes comes to mind, also Vilp-akf ’cho Rentaq...


-Those are new to me, although Nusu-Sa could be Pelor

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...Landron could be another name for Pholtus, and Thera/the Horned Lady could be aspects of Ehlonna. Faltforth the Suncrown could be Pelor. Om could conceivably be Istus, or perhaps Tsolorandril. It's temptingto identify Ganclang with Clangeddin Silverbeard.
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...Landron could be another name for Pholtus


To elaborate on this, Landron and Pholtus are both gods of order and light. The gods of the winds and seasons are all Oeridian, so it seems likely that "Him Who Orders the Winds and Seasons" is Oeridian as well, as Pholtus is. The seasons are literally ordered by the sun and moons, which Pholtus is patron of.
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...There's a Faranth "Nameless god" in Dungeon #83. .


-"Nameless" could be an already known deity, just unknown to the author.


I assume the nameless god of the faranth is the Elder Elemental God. The description of the faranth in Dungeon #83 loosely fits with the description of the Elder Elemental God's early worshipers in Monster Mythology: "There are many tales of its being worshipped by elder races who may predate the coming of other gods and races to the Prime Material plane: these beings were shapechanging, polymorphous slime-beings of genius intelligence and uniformly evil nature. These ineffably vile spawns of evil were wiped out by the human and demihuman creator gods, save for a few places close to the core of a handful of worlds, where they are usually either in hibernation or gibbering insanely in the most desolate barrens." The faranth might also have worshiped Tharizdun, and I associate them with the pre-Flan "Nerull's Bane" culture (from Iuz the Evil), and the ancient builders of the ruins on Celene described in Greyspace (who, like the faranth, predated the modern races and were wiped out by asteroids).
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Hu Jas, the elder brother of Wee Jas, in the errata of WG7. ;)
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For one character of mine I renamed "Mage of the Arcane Order" to "Guildmage of Greyhawk" using the "chained demigod" explanation for the Guild's spellpool…

…with said "demigod" being Dorgha Torgu (as a nod to his absence).

I was also thinking of making Zol Darklock a missing son of High Prince Telamont Tanthul, "Lord Shadow" from the FORGOTTEN REALMS® (with "Darklock" being the Common-tongue translation of the Netherese "Tanthul"). The idea was that after the Fall of Netheril Tanthul sent a number of agents, including his own sons, into other worlds to recover powerful magic, leading Zol to Oerth and the Suel Imperium's "Power Magic" …only to be captured by Xodast.

It adds up pretty well, based on some timeline comparisons I've seen (notably 1369 DR = 585 CY, "Legacies of the Suel Imperium," DRAGON Magazine #241 November 1997, p.47).
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Regarding Zol Darklock, note that "ad-Zol" was the surname of members of the ancient Sulose imperial house of Zolax in the Oerth Journal #1 timeline. The Scarlet Brotherhood accessory partly canonized this by naming the last emperor of the Suel "Ad-Zol."
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Rob Kuntz has Nusu-Sa (a Sun God) and Aval (CN Volcanos, demons, fire, dwells on Qaf) in To the City of Brass (4). He has more gods in the Ice Grave module, but those are explicitly Kalibruhn.


Some more Kuntzian gods to make sure we don't lose track of them:

- "Y" and Malcanthet from the Maure Castle adventures (and perhaps Uncle if he achieved ascended/descended divinely)
- from Bottle City: Aza, Lolatho, Zirx, Phannon, N'Tee, and Yhyg
- the Lovecraftian mythos from the original Greyhawk campaign, and detailed more completely in Rob's article "Advent of the Elder Ones: Mythos vs. Man in the Lake Geneva Original Campaign, 1973-1976" in AFS#2 (2012); note: gives alt name for Lalatha in Bottle City
- Dark Druids and El Raja Key Archive list Tharizdun's original name as "Tharzdu'un" (originally inspired by CAS' Thaisidon)

* along with Crom, Odin, Zeus, and likely some others I'm not recalling off the top of my head

Icarus reminded me of Stratis the other day in chat, too.

David Prata's Deitybase files are in the process of being restored and updated at GreyhawkOnline.com too, FYI. The 5.0 versions are still available at http://www.knights-n-knaves.com/dmprata/

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grodog wrote:

...Icarus reminded me of Stratis the other day in chat, too...


-Ah! We had a long discussion on Stratis a while ago:

http://www.canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5136&highlight=

If he is [was] an official deity for Western Oerik, then he's certainly an Oerth deity. Plus, if you're running a campaign before then, he could still be around.



On this:

Icarus wrote:

Interesting thing is that Stratis was around for over a thousand years, and did not die until 586 or 587 CY...[/quote]

...and...

Icarus wrote:

Quote:
Chapter 1: Godwar <Chainmail Miniatures Core Rules> (CY591)

It began with good intentions...
...


...and this...

Icarus wrote:
...So, the first thing to keep in mind is that Living Greyhawk adventures were written and published by RPGA volunteers who administrated the campaign. While technically not canon, there remains a significant camp of folks that followed it for their home games as well as LG. Regarding the dates, this adventure took place in 599 CY, while the current year would be 602 CY.
Essentially, the premise of the adventure is that there were forces allied against the mortal realm (Iuz and Malcanthet amongst them), and specifically against the Shield Lands. This was what began the push against them, and the PCs were critical in organizing the offensive to regain the Shield Lands. And obviously, Stratis played big in that. - it's basically him that sends the PCs on their mission to help the Shield Lands...


I must have overlooked this the first time I read it. Stratis was killed in 588 or 589 (CY), but was instrumental in liberating the Shield Lands in the 590s? Did Stratis make it back?

Maybe there's hope for Ranet!
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