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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:20 pm    Post subject: Non-Scarlet Brotherhood monk organizations Reply with quote

Outside of a reference to the Sapphire Brotherhood in the Fate of Istus, I'm not aware of any monk organizations outside of the Scarlet Brotherhood.

Let's first consider religiously oriented monks; I don't think just saying that every lawful deity has an order of monks seems reasonable. With Xan Yae and Zuoken, I feel that there has to be a few in the Baklunish lands. There are probably some groups associated with Hextor and Heironeous, as well. Rao and St. Cuthbert also feel like a good fit from diametrically different aspects (serene versus zeal).

Nation-wise, I feel that the Horned Society would be the best fit outside of the Scarlet Brotherhood. Throw in the diabolic connection, and I think it's very easy to give them a suitably dramatic and sinister name.

In my campaign, the Four Bastards of Asmodeus terrorized the western coast of the Nyr Dyv before Reiner of Rao, the Company of Nine's monk, defeated them on the rooftops of Dyvers. Whether they left any behind to carry on their ways is a secret I'm holding close to my vest.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember Mike and Anna discussing this topic on one of their Legends and Lore episodes. I'm afraid I'm not much help beyond that as I don't remember which one it was and I don't know of any myself. However, I come from a 1st/2nd edition background and they didn't do as much with monks back then. At least not in the Flanaess that I'm aware of (I think that was more of an Oriental Adventures thing). Looking at Anna's maps, I see a lot of monasteries so maybe they did more with them during 3E+ and Living Greyhawk.

That ramble probably didn't help you at all. Sorry.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:28 am    Post subject: Re: Non-Scarlet Brotherhood monk organizations Reply with quote

LarethTheBeautiful wrote:
Outside of a reference to the Sapphire Brotherhood in the Fate of Istus, I'm not aware of any monk organizations outside of the Scarlet Brotherhood...


-Adherents of Xan Yae in the Cairn Hills (mentioned in the Age Of Worms; one of the PCs in Erik Mona's test group was a member);

-One member of the team that tackled the Tower of Inverness was a monk on loan to the Duchy of Urnst from a local Temple;

-The Bastion of Faith mentions a Heironeian order led by a monk whose name eludes me, but was mentioned in the old OD&D Rogue's Gallery.

I'm sure Rasgon will be by, soon...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also the Splintered Mind from Dragon #281.

Dragon #299 details an order of monks dedicated to Nerull, drawn from the novel Oath of Nerull by T.H. Lain.

"Dungeon of the Fire Opal" in Dungeon #84 details a ruined monastery based on the sample dungeon from the 1st edition DMG. The monks there once worshiped Wee Jas, though they hid their faith from their devil allies.

The Twilight Monastery in the Cairn Hills is dedicated to Xan Yae. It's detailed in Age of Worms Overload.

Erik Mona's "Baklunish Delights" in Oerth Journal #3 details three monasteries dedicated to Zuoken. The Falla-nil monastery is in the Ulsprues. The Azor-khem monastery is 60 miles to the south. The Flannae-tel Monastery is in the Cairn Hills, and the pregenerated PC from Ghost Tower of Inverness is its leader. The followers of Zuoken built a monastery in the Cairn Hills because their god is imprisoned nearby in Castle Greyhawk.

In general, I'd keep in mind that the "Shaolin" style of monk-as-martial artist isn't a divine spellcaster and doesn't need to be part of a clerical order or associated with any deity. The World of Greyhawk has two monk deities (Xan Yae and Zuoken), so that line can blur, but there's no reason a monastery couldn't be completely secular.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember monks dedicated to Zuoken in Greyhawk from Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always liked the idea of keeping monks a class unique to the Scarlet Brotherhood. It just added that much more of an aura of mystery and menace to them...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Savage Tide AP, from Dungeon Magazine, featured a cannabalistic order of monks who had a monastery in Scuttlecove. That is about all I can remember about them off the top of my head.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have not really done much with monks until recently, and it was more of a 'let's see and find out' kind of attitude.

With that in mind, I used the Scarlet Brotherhood monk class as the template and didn't alter it at all. There is nothing inherently 'evil' with their abilities so I kept them as is.

That being said, I would permit most Lawfully-inclined or structured faiths to have monks. In Bastion of the Faith it mentions that monks are possible in their ranks. Hextor, too. I don't see any reason why Nerull couldn't, either. I would extend this to add Pholtus, Rao, and St Cuthbert as well. Pelor might have a small monastic order, too. Without going through the entire list of deities, I would think only some Powers would have monks.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone seems to have slightly different opinions on Monk Orders in Greyhawk. There is a great article on here somewhere called 'Martial Monastic Orders of Greyhawk, or something like that. It is well worth a read.

I'm about two-thirds done on my own Monks article for greyhawk. I used the article above and 'Baklunish Delights' as an informed starting point.

There is very little official canon outside the Scarlet Brotherhood, though strong implications of religious orders in the Baklunish West practicing both martial monastic traditions and psionics.

I guess it depends on the flavour of Monks you want in Greyhawk. My article proposes that monks in the Flanaess are rare outside of the Scarlet Brotherhood and the Baklunish West. It describes three main Baklunish orders, two related to Xan Yae and one to Zuoken. The article describes the transition of martial monastic methods (say that three times quickly) into other lands to the East of the Baklunish states, resulting in mostly single school monasteries popping up in random locations.

The Oeridians take to martial monastic practices quite well and over decades it spreads. It never becomes common because it is so demanding and so esoteric, but none the less schools appear around different lands as far as Aerdy states to the West.

I don't have any demi-human based orders, because that is to my taste and matches the 1st edition restrictions. My article describe how Oeridian schools allowed anyone who could pass the entry tests into their order, very rarely excluding anyone because of race alone. So that meant players had options if they really wanted to, while keeping it rare.

Aside from the Scarlet Brotherhood and the three Baklunish Orders I describe a sample of other orders. None of them are large overall, but I indicate their are likely to be many small independent orders. While it would be easy to have orders tied to religions it flies against the overall tone of rareness that I was going for. So I think I had one originally Flan order (of the Helping Hand) that worshiped Zodal. While other deities seemed to also provide a potential good fit, I think I went with Fharlangn to produce an order of travelling monks seeking enlightment.

How about I just get around to finishing the article and post it?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In C1 - Hidden Shrine of the Tamoachan, there are two Olman monks.

22. CHAMBER OF THE NACEHUEL (Na-sG’-wal: “the achieved ones”)

All the doors into this lozenge shaped room are made of heavy bronze. There are entrances on the north, south and east walls. In the middle of this long apartment are two stone divans, each with a human figure stretched out upon it. Between the divans is a low stone table holding a flask and two goblets made of crystal. There are two sideboards against the walls. The figures on the couches are a male and female, each about middleaged and perfectly preserved. They are very still, dust covered, and apparently dead. Their bodies are covered with dry, crackling snakeskin. The female wears a silvery bracelet and holds what looks to be an ivory wand. The male has an amulet of bronze resting on his chest, inset with a red stone of considerable size. In the bottom of the crystal flask is a quantity of silvery dust. On the western wall are scribed colorful glyphs, barely translatable from Olman as, “Beware . . . many-eyed ‘god’ (?) will bring/rain a fiery end/death”.

Mixing the powder in the flask with a liquid will create a potion of dreadful sleep. If the potion is drunk the taster will sleep for 5,000 years, or until the potion’s effects are neutralized (i.e., neutralize poison). The two bodies are‘monks in suspended animation. The male, Cipactonal (S&pak‘-tG’kal) (AC 5; Level 7; HP LO; #AT 3/2; D: 3-9 open hand) and the female, Oxomoco (Oks-E’-m6-k6) (AC 4 Level 8; HP 34; #AT 3/2; D: 2-12 open hand) have used the potion once held in the flask to increase their ability to feign death. As with the spell feign death, these two are aware of their environment and what goes on about them. If the monks are disturbed, they will instantly awaken, stand, and Oxomoco will say, first in Olman and then in an ancient dialect of Common, “You have broken/interrupted our long/glorious . . . end/sleep; for this you must pay/repent”. The two will then assume fighting stances. If the monks are not attacked, weapons are not drawn and drawn weapons are sheathed, the two will demand payment of 500 g.p. or one magic item of value as forfeiture. If the two monks are not paid or if the party attempts to harm them while they lie on the couches the monks will attack in return. If questioned about the ruins, they know Nothing to tell, save the message concerning the rain of fire,for their sleep has been long indeed. They will not leave their chambers.

The ivory “wand” is actually a folded fan worth 62 g.p. and the bracelet is platinum and worth 230 g.p. Cipactonal’s amulet is non-magical and made of electrum and garnet, worth 100 S.P.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In T1 there is the Monk Toruko, "a Bakluni from unknown parts."
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http://www.canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=996

Now with updated image links (cut-n-paste them into your browser) for the level charts for the different styles.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragnar wrote:
In T1 there is the Monk Toruko, "a Bakluni from unknown parts."


-How did we all forget that?! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's kind of a throw-in NPC. He may get used, or not. He is available to join the PC party at the Inn of the Welcome Wench. There are some other mentioned NPCs (plus any others a DM might want to throw in) that might offer to join up too. And Elmo. Not a lot was done for monks beyond the Scarlet Brotherhood namely because not a lot was done with the Baklunish.

Xan Yae and Zuoken are very obviously monk-oriented deities, but the lesson lies with the Suel who do not really have such a deity...and yet there are Scarlet Brotherhood monks of awesomeness. Choose a faith that an aesthetic would fit well into, and have at it.

Another group, the Black Brotherhood, is first mentioned in the 1E adventure I1: Dwellers of the Forbidden City ( see my post #7 on this thread for more info from the original adventure - http://canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2938&highlight=Black%20Brotherhood). If I recall correctly, the Scarlet Brotherhood supplement takes the information on them from there and expands on it, turning them into a full-fledged vigilante group within the Scarlet Brotherhood dedicated to Tharizdun. Now imagine it - a monk of Tharizdun. Oh yes, quite insanely evil no doubt, yet still somehow able to achieve a monk's focus! Oh, the variant monk powers one wants to write up! Evil Grin
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll move the tangential stuff to another thread, later.

RE monks:

Wastri! RIBBET!

He seems like a suitable patron for a monastery of wicked toad-brothers.
Or for the Siv, which are an FR monster that screams Greyhawk to me. Lawful Evil froggers with monk-fu. No doubt the results of Wastrian breeding and training program for improving the chaotic bullywugs.

The SB book by SKR mentions a possible connection between Wastri and the Scarlet Brotherhood. A historical figure named Kevelli Mauk, I think, who might actually be Wastri or else one of his early clerics. EDIT--Not Mauk. See the post by Rasgon below. He's got it right.


Fate of Istus mentions Oriental monks from another world.

I like the idea of the Olman having their own native monk tradition that is not 'Oriental', though. That's cool.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NorkerMedic wrote:
The SB book by SKR mentions a possible connection between Wastri and the Scarlet Brotherhood. A historical figure named Kevelli Mauk, I think, who might actually be Wastri or else one of his early clerics.


Page 3: "Founded by Kevelli Mauk over a thousand years ago, the Brotherhood of the Scarlet Sign initially did no more than teach the doctrine of racial and cultural purity... The hour before the Rain began, Kevelli was overwhelmed by a premonition of doom; this supernatural warning gave him time to activate a now-lost artifact known as Lendor's Matrix, an hourglass-shaped device that could temporarily suspend time and transport matter across great distances. He gathered his ten most ardent students, their slaves, and the Tome of the Scarlet Sign—the manifesto of the Scarlet Brotherhood—and used the Matrix to teleport to the western side of the Hellfurnaces, moments before the cataclysm eradicated the Suel capital and surrounding lands."

Page 3: "Two of Kevelli's students died when the party entered a stone ruin half-buried in the muck..."

Page 4: "The first appearance of the frog-like demigod Wastri in 5730 SD was met with surprise, confusion, and disgust. "Wastri" had been the name of one of Kevelli's students lost in the swamp so many years before; and the demigod's humanocentrism, and his belief that humanoids existed only to serve humans, paralleled their own philosophy. Regardless of his origins, the Hopping Prophet was obviously tainted."

Note that Monster Mythology (page 101) mentions ruins found "deep within jungles and lost plateaus" left behind by races of proto-amphibians and now-extinct humanoid/frog creatures of which the bullywugs are degenerate descendants where avatars of the sleeping frog god Ramenos can still be summoned. My guess is that Wastri stumbled into one of those and somehow summoned an avatar or aspect of Ramenos into himself, appearing dead at first but gaining a spark of the sleeping god's divinity, which eventually corrupted and transformed him until he became a demigod in his own right.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rasgon wrote:
NorkerMedic wrote:
The SB book by SKR mentions a possible connection between Wastri and the Scarlet Brotherhood. A historical figure named Kevelli Mauk, I think, who might actually be Wastri or else one of his early clerics.


Page 3: "Founded by Kevelli Mauk over a thousand years ago, the Brotherhood of the Scarlet Sign initially did no more than teach the doctrine of racial and cultural purity... The hour before the Rain began, Kevelli was overwhelmed by a premonition of doom; this supernatural warning gave him time to activate a now-lost artifact known as Lendor's Matrix, an hourglass-shaped device that could temporarily suspend time and transport matter across great distances. He gathered his ten most ardent students, their slaves, and the Tome of the Scarlet Sign—the manifesto of the Scarlet Brotherhood—and used the Matrix to teleport to the western side of the Hellfurnaces, moments before the cataclysm eradicated the Suel capital and surrounding lands."

Page 3: "Two of Kevelli's students died when the party entered a stone ruin half-buried in the muck..."

Page 4: "The first appearance of the frog-like demigod Wastri in 5730 SD was met with surprise, confusion, and disgust. "Wastri" had been the name of one of Kevelli's students lost in the swamp so many years before; and the demigod's humanocentrism, and his belief that humanoids existed only to serve humans, paralleled their own philosophy. Regardless of his origins, the Hopping Prophet was obviously tainted."

Note that Monster Mythology (page 101) mentions ruins found "deep within jungles and lost plateaus" left behind by races of proto-amphibians and now-extinct humanoid/frog creatures of which the bullywugs are degenerate descendants where avatars of the sleeping frog god Ramenos can still be summoned. My guess is that Wastri stumbled into one of those and somehow summoned an avatar or aspect of Ramenos into himself, appearing dead at first but gaining a spark of the sleeping god's divinity, which eventually corrupted and transformed him until he became a demigod in his own right.


Ah, yes. I should have gone downstairs and checked before posting. I don't own Fate of Istus any longer but I've never parted with my copy of The Scarlet Brotherhood.
I do recall that FoI gives a rather different history of the Scarlet Brotherhood, with monks from Kara Tur being involved.

I agree about a possible link with Ramenos.
(I was just skimming through Monster Mythology last night).
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