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    Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:10 pm  
    Greyhawk Timeline 591-600 (Living Greyhawk timeline)

    Okay, I played a little with the RPGA back in Living Greyhawk (3.0 & 3.5)

    But when I find most timelines that deal with Greyhawk, usually there's a bit of an absence from 591 to around 598 or 600 CY. Most of the time it just says 591-Living Greyhawk Campaign started

    But surely there must be a timeline somewhere detailing what happened during this time, right?

    Also, some major modules from Dungeon Magazine took place in this time frame and they were Greyhawk related. (Shackled City, Age of Worms, Savage Tide)

    I know the events in Expedition to Castle Greyhawk and Expedition to the Demon Web Pits was 597 CY.
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    Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:15 pm  

    So far this is all I've found:

    590 CY: The wizard Allustan returned to Diamond Lake, after adventuring for several years.

    591 CY: Nohrtan and his followers arrived at the Cairn of the Green Lady in Diamond Lake after a fiveyear journey.

    592 CY: Professor Montague Marat left Diamond Lake for unknown destinations. Most members of his sideshow chose to stay in Diamond Lake's Emporium.

    The leader of the Cult of the Green Lady, Nohrtan, mysteriously disappeared and was replaced by Amariss.

    593 CY: Luzane Perrin's husband mysteriously died.
    Amon Kyre, the Justice of Heironeous in Diamond Lake, vanished under mysterious circumstances. He was replaced by Valkus Dun from Greyhawk's Sanctum of Heironeous.


    I think all of this is referring to a Dungeon Mag module-Age of Worms
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    Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:32 pm  
    ...more...

    596 Hand of Vecna resurfaces in the central Flanaess, in the possession of a Vecnan priest named Darl Quethos. (Dungeon #132)

    597 Riggby the Patriarch dies in Verbobonc. His body is returned to the Free City of Greyhawk for his funeral. (Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk)
    Iuz attempts to invade the Free City, via the dungeons of Castle Greyhawk. (Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk)
    Although unbeknownst to most, Lord Robilar is returned to Oerth after an absence of 15 years. (Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk)
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    Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:19 am  

    When Paizo started including more GH content in Dungeon & Dragon, there was, & has been, a tendency in GH fandom to accept such content as "more canonical" than the LG stuff, especially when a conflict occurred. For example, Paizo hand the Hand of Vecna in the possession of Darl Quethos in the AoW AP, whereas in LG, the item is possessed by someone named "Pacanan."

    I think much of GH fandom regards the LG stuff as apocryphal chiefly because so little of it was accessible to everyone. Outside of Core scenarios, the only regional ones available were those from your home region or meta-region.

    That said, Paizo & WotC did seem to adopt the LG "timeline advancement" methodology--that is, for stuff published from 2001 on, subtract 1410 from the publication year to find the CY year (unless factors mentioned within the adventure say otherwise). Therefore, it should be easy to determine when various adventures in Dungeon take place.
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    Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:26 am  

    Mouse wrote:
    So far this is all I've found:

    590 CY: The wizard Allustan returned to Diamond Lake, after adventuring for several years.

    591 CY: Nohrtan and his followers arrived at the Cairn of the Green Lady in Diamond Lake after a fiveyear journey.

    592 CY: Professor Montague Marat left Diamond Lake for unknown destinations. Most members of his sideshow chose to stay in Diamond Lake's Emporium.

    The leader of the Cult of the Green Lady, Nohrtan, mysteriously disappeared and was replaced by Amariss.

    593 CY: Luzane Perrin's husband mysteriously died.
    Amon Kyre, the Justice of Heironeous in Diamond Lake, vanished under mysterious circumstances. He was replaced by Valkus Dun from Greyhawk's Sanctum of Heironeous.


    I think all of this is referring to a Dungeon Mag module-Age of Worms


    Yes, that's from the AoW adventure path. However, I don't think the source material verifies when exactly Allustan returned to Diamond Lake & when Nohrtan was replaced.

    As for the events of 593, the high priest of Heironeous DID vanish in 593, but the name "Amon Kyre" is not canonical--it was just the name I used for him in my AoW game (it's a loose anagram of "Erik Mona" the author of the 1st AoW adventure). I posted my campaign journal to the Paizo Boards, and a number of other people seem to have adopted the name for their own campaigns.


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    Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:35 am  

    Also, see the Grey Chrondex: http://www.canonfire.com/cf/ghchrondex.php

    and these timelines at the Great Library of Greyhawk:

    Age of Worms Timeline: http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Age_of_Worms_Timeline

    GH timeline to 1998 CY: http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=World_of_Greyhawk_Timeline
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    Sat Sep 18, 2010 2:35 pm  

    have created a timeline of major events in the Bandit Kingdoms based on results from the Living Greyhawk campaign. It is included in part 1 of my BK summary/gazetteer project which I submitted to Oerth Journal many many months ago. It's below this message.

    I've been encouraging Britt Frey, former BK Triad and Iuz Circle member, to work on a Core summary as no one knows what the final results are from the final Core specials and mods. Britt says no one ever sent him any table results. By then, all the Triads and Circle were pretty well burned out. I've told Britt my opinion that he just needs to decide the results since he was the Circle member in charge of that. He's thinking about it. Honestly, without financial incentive, there likely will never be a project that advances Greyhawk to the year 600 unless they just nuke the setting, ala Forgotten Realms, and skip ahead to the year 700 or something. That would be a lot easier to do than working on a massive LG summary and they've already shown their willingness to nuke settings when they started 4th ed and LFR.

    Anyhow, maybe my timeline will encourage the other Triads and Circle members to get off their asses and do some work :)

    For the record, I do not consider Age of Worms and other non-LG campaigns set in Greyhawk during 591 to 598 to be canonical, whether they were published in Dragon or Dungeon or not (unless they were written for LG, which I think happened a few times).

    Living Greyhawk was WOTC's official campaign for Greyhawk, therefore it's canon. The problem is the massive amount of information to digest combined with sorting out which plot events are note worthy and which are not (because a lot of the mods weren't always very well thought out, imo). However, it may be canon no one ever knows about due to the poor management WOTC showed over the LG campaign, especially in its later years as they were busy focusing on 4th ed design, playtesting, and LFR creation.

    Also, AoW is not canon because it did not deal with the BK properly. Where was Iuz? In addition, Austin "Theo" Judd attempted to contact Erik Mona to discuss tying in LG BK stuff with AoW and, iirc, never received a response. No, AoW was a silly campaign, imo, that just happened to be set in the BK. It's no different from any other homebrew campaign, which are never canon unless they were run by Gygax, etc., back in the day.

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    578 CY
    Coldeven Armies from the Warfields, led by Guardian General Hok, Wormhall, led by Baron Oltagg, Abbarra, led by Rhelt Kor, and Freehold, led by Master Eab Huldor, join the Horned Society to help fight the Rovers of the Barrens.

    Reaping In reprisal for past attacks, the Duchy of Tenh crosses the Zumker River, laying waste to the Barony of Grosskopf and entering the Fellands. Lord Despot Avaerd of the Fellands, Baron Skiven of Grosskopf, and Plar Teuod Fent of Rookroost ask the other free lords for assistance in driving the Tenha back across the Zumker.

    Goodmonth Hok, Oltagg, Kor, and Huldor abandon the Horned Society and lead their armies eastward to help fight the Tenha.
    Harvester Horned Society forces cross the Ritensa River in retaliation for the desertions, conquering the Warfields and capturing Wormhall before moving eastward.

    Patchwall The Horned Society’s advances are halted by a stubborn defense led by the Abbarrish civilian population.

    Ready’reat A truce is reached with the Duke of Tenh in which the various bandit lords agree to cease raiding into Tenh. Grosskopf cedes to Tenh the lands between the Griff Mountains and the Zumker River. Hok, Oltagg, Kor, and Huldor march their armies westward, discovering that the Horned Society has overrun the Warfields and occupied Wormhall. Horned Society representatives offer peace if Guardian General Hok agrees to lead their forces south the following spring. When Hok agrees, Huldor and his forces return to Freehold as Kor disbands his Abbarrish army.

    579 CY
    Readying Guardian General Hok of the Warfields, at the direction of the Horned Society, leads forces from Warfields and Wormhall into the Shield Lands. As his successes mount, mercenaries from other bandit fiefdoms, primarily Abbarra, Freehold and Reyhu, join his army. For over three years, Hok’s forces ravage the Shield Lands.

    580 CY
    Suns’ebb Pernevi, Rookroost’s Captain of the Guard, with significant help from Elara Mornstar, Guildmother of the Rookroost Thieves Guild, assassinates Plar Teuod Fent of Rookroost and names himself General of Rookroost.

    581 CY
    Growfest The Fellands are absorbed by Grosskopf when Baron Skiven marries Lord Despot Avaerd’s daughter.

    Brewfest Boss Dhaelhy of Stoink is assassinated by Renfus the Mottled. Renfus is named Boss of Stoink.

    583 CY
    Fireseek The cambion Kerzinen, on loan to Iuz by the Demon Lord Graz’zt, arrives in Rookroost.

    Coldeven Iuz slays most of the Heirarchs of the Horned Society and conquers Molag during the night of the Blood-Moon Festival. Word of Iuz’s army reaches Hok’s forces in the Shield Lands. Hok receives confusing orders from Molag. As a result, he grows suspicious and quits the campaign against the Shield Lands. Hok leads the men of the Warfields and Wormhall home. Bandits from other areas of the Bandit Lands flee the Shield Lands and return home to spread word of the coming invasion.
    Growfest A sizable army breaks off from Iuz’s main host and continues east as as the main host turns south for the Shield Lands after crossing the Ritensa River. Guardian General Hok kneels before Horrace, leader of the eastern-moving force, pledging the Warfields to Iuz. Iuz’s army camps outside Obresthorpe as Horrace meets with Baron Oltagg and the secretive Lords of Wormhall. Horrace executes Oltagg and assumes the title Baron of Wormhall. Iuz sends his priestess Xavendra, fresh from the fighting in the Shield Lands, to serve as the army’s new commander.
    Planting Rhelt Kor of Abbarra bows before Xavendra. Lord Eab Huldor of Freehold, fearing for his people, quits Freehold Keep, presenting it as a gift to Xavendra. Demons overseen by Lesser Boneheart Cranzer immediately begin transforming it into Fleichshriver. The Iuzian cleric Rilstone leads a sizable force to Hallorn, driving Earl Reynard and his men deep into the Tangles Forest. Rilstone then executes everyone in Hallorn and animates them as undead.

    Flocktime Xavendra’s army marches into the Midlands and is met by stout resistance led by Graf Venholtee and the local clerics and warriors dedicated to Hextor. After a fierce battle during which the Hextorians fought to the death, the Iuzians raze the Hextorian temple.
    Kerzinen assassinates General Pernevi, ruler of Rookroost, during the night of the 18th (Walpurgis), and assumes his identity.

    Wealsun Xavendra detaches a large portion of the army and leads it to Rookroost. Kerzinen, now disguised as Pernevi, surrenders Rookroost to Xavendra. The Iuzian cleric Demmel Tadurinal is named Graf of the Midlands by Iuz. Xavendra’s army marches north, taking Groucester from Lord Despot Avaerd, who had fled to Grosskopf, without a fight. A road into the eastern Fellreev is soon built and construction begins on Fort Skagund. Xavendra threatens Grosskopf, forcing Baron Skiven to surrender. Many of Grosskopf’s raiders relocate to Grossfort in the Barrens to hunt the Rovers for Iuz. Xavendra is stationed in Groucester by Iuz to help ferry supplies and demons to Iuz’s forces in the Barrens.

    Richfest The eastward moving Iuzian army, now led by a minor cleric named Aundurach, encounters Johrase resistance during a massive thunderstorm on Midsummer’s Day. Iuz’s demons overwhelm the Johrase cavalry, leaving Kinemeet exposed. The Johrase are forced to flee as orcs capture Kinemeet. King Selnon of the Johrase is killed in the fighting. The Johrase become a landless people, selling themselves as mercenaries to the highest bidders across the northern Flanaess.

    Reaping Iuz orders Aundurach to march the army south to Riftcrag. The army discovers a mostly empty city, the inhabitants having already fled into the recesses of the Rift Canyon. Lesser Boneheart Cranzer rejoins the army and is ordered to remain in Riftcrag to ensure that silver flows from the Rift Canyon mines to Dorakaa by Iuz himself. Cranzer orders the construction of a fortified tower and several thousand humanoids are discharged from the army in order to work the mines and forges of Riftcrag. Cranzer orders Aundurach back to Hallorn to keep an eye on Rilstone. When the cleric foolishly objects, wishing to continue leading the army eastward, Cranzer imprisons him and nearly drives him mad with a magical attack.

    Goodmonth Iuz’s eastward moving army, now led by an ambitious, but incompetent, blackguard, invades Dimre. The Dimrites put up a fierce and well-coordinated defense, effectively utilizing holy spells to hold the demons at bay while slaughtering Iuz’s humanoids. After several embarrassing defeats, the blackguard is forced to the treaty table. After his return to Dorakaa to share the news of the treaty with Dimre, the blackguard is never heard of again. Cranzer grows bored with torturing Aundurach and orders him to serve Rilstone in Hallorn.

    Harvester Following the disaster in Dimre, Iuz orders Cranzer to take command of the army. Cranzer leaves a detachment of hobgoblins to build a garrison at Camp Arnsten then drives the rest of the army south to the Duchy of the Artonsamay. During a fierce battle, Cranzer employs magic to destroy Castle Artonsamay despite the efforts of a powerful Rhennee witch. Duke Gellor and his surviving men flee to Stoink or across the river into the County of Urnst. Cranzer divests himself of several annoying clerics of Iuz by ordering them to construct a keep on the castle’s ruins to honor Iuz’s might. Construction of Wraithkeep begins as the clerics animate those who fell during the battle.
    To the south, the people of the Great Lands of the Reyhu flee. One group, led by Skannar Hendricks, flees through the Warfields towards the Fellreev. Another group, led by a cleric of Erythnul, flees into the Rift Canyon and joins the Men of the Rift. The rest flee across the Artonsamay River into the County of Urnst.

    Brewfest Boss Renfus of Stoink surrenders to Cranzer. Cranzer leaves Lord Bloodhand behind as Iuz’s emissary. Lord Bloodhand immediately begins the construction of Temple Grimacing. The entire city of Stoink gets drunk.
    Skannar Hendricks’ Reyhu enter the Fellreev and are attacked by several hundred Dazark orcs.

    Patchwall Cranzer orders the army south into the Great Lands of the Reyhu, which they discover are now empty, its fields lying fallow, its bells unrung on the 7th as its people had fled into the Rift Canyon, the Fellreev Forest, or to the County of Urnst. Cranzer orders a detachment of hobgoblins to turn Sarresh into a garrison and sends Urzun orcs to occupy Sheerwatch before divesting himself of four cantankerous mid-level clerics of Iuz in Balmund. None of the clerics are told who is in charge by Cranzer during one of his rare fits of humor.
    Skannar Hendrick’s Reyhu are attacked by the Fanlareshen elves as they cross the Artonsamay River in the Fellreev Forest. Hendricks sues for peace, explaining that his people are refugees hiding from Iuz’s army and convinces the Fanlareshen elders to allow his people to build two strongholds in the forest. Construction on Forts Hendricks and Scorn begins.

    Ready’reat Cranzer leads the remaining army south to Redhand. In a grand ceremony incorporating the Turning of the Shebbear Stone, Prince Zeech kneels before Cranzer and pledges his nation to Iuz. Cranzer leaves many half-orcs in Alhaster to keep an eye on Zeech and sends a sizeable detachment of hobgoblins to garrison at Trallant before turning the army westward into the Shield Lands where it rejoins the main Iuzian host. Cranzer returns to Riftcrag. Iuz sends the cambion Marionnen, who is loyal to Pazuzu but whom that demon lord had loaned to Iuz, to oversee Trallant’s defenses. Iuz sends an ex-lieutenant of the Legion of Black Death with Marionnen to keep an eye on the cambion. Over the course of several years, Zeech manages to have all of the orcish troops stationed in Alhaster sent to Trallant in exchange for Marionnen’s hobgoblin soldiers.

    Needfest Rookroost experiences its first Mummergirl celebration led by Iuzians. During the celebration, a masked cleric of Iuz fights and kills a lightly armed paladin of Pelor. During the Festival of Unreason, children are “promoted” to leadership positions and instructed to create silly laws. Children that failed to embrace the chaos were killed. In the future, the denizens of Rookroost hide their children from the Iuzians during the Festival of Unreason leading to the creation of a new game of “Hide and Go Kill” highly enjoyed by the Iuzians.

    584 CY
    Fireseek Riftcrag, ruled by Lesser Boneheart Cranzer, Rookroost, ruled by Kerzinen (disguised as General Pernevi), and Stoink, ruled by Boss Renfus the Mottled, are all named regional capitals of the Bandit Lands by Iuz. Lord Bloodhand sends a glabrezu to badger Renfus into giving him more power. The glabrezu is later found lying in Stoink’s gutters, reeking of brandy and unable to speak. Bloodhand never again tries to bully Renfus into submission.

    Readying Cranzer marches on Hellstone Tower in the Rift Barrens and demands that the owner of the tower, a wizard of some power, surrender and agree to make magical weapons for his troops. In response, the wizard destroys Hellstone Tower with an explosion that kills hundreds of Cranzer’s troops and nearly kills the Lesser Boneheart.

    Coldeven Cranzer, not quiet as arrogant as he was before, forges a deal with the mage Gennen of Edge Tower in which Gennen agrees to craft magical weapons for Cranzer’s officers in exchange for food and raw materials for his work.

    Harvester The Pact of Greyhawk is signed.

    Brewfest The Iuzian priest Bernel of Hallorn, Rilstone’s second-in-command, orders the western bandits of the Bandit Lands to a gathering in northeastern Wormhall to discuss plans for raids in 585 CY. During the gathering, during which over 10,000 bandits attend, Bernel becomes convinced that the bandit leaders are plotting against him and Iuz. After several nights of drunken revelry, Bernel unleashes demons, orc assassins, and powerful magicks against the drunk and sleeping bandits. Over half of the bandits (including Guardian General Hok of the Warfields and Master Eab Huldor of Freehold) are slain and the rest flee in terror, cursing Iuz’s name. When he learns of the incident, Cranzer drags the kicking and screaming Bernel to Dorakaa to face Iuz’s punishment. Aundurach becomes Rilestone’s second-in-command in Hallorn. The abandoned campgrounds become known as Steelbone Meadows and remain haunted by a variety of undead, all of whom hate Iuz and cannot be rebuked by his clerics, to this day.

    Patchwall A large Iuzian force from Fleichshriver invades the Fellreev Forest. It is repelled by a joint effort of the Fanlareshen elves and displaced Reyhu refugees. After the battle, the Fanlareshen and Reyhu formally ally.

    585 CY
    Fireseek Three powerful Trithereonites from Furyondy arrive in the Tangles Forest and begin to help Earl Reynard and his men survive in the forest.

    Readying A mutiny by the hobgoblin soldiers at Camp Arnsten is ruthlessly put down by fiends loyal to Cranzer.

    586 CY
    Coldeven Canon Hazen of Veluna employs the Crook of Rao in a ritual that drives most of the summoned fiends on Oerth back to the outer planes. The event becomes known as the Flight of Fiends. Iuzian forces throughout the Bandit Lands become vulnerable as their demonic soldiers and allies disappear.

    Growfest Lord Marshall Arus Mortoth attempts to assassinate Pernevi after Pernevi’s fiendish advisors are banished by the Flight of Fiends. Unbeknownst to Mortoth, Pernevi is actually the cambion Kerzinen. Kerzinen slays Mortoth and assumes his identity.
    The Iuzian cleric Aundurach assassinates the insane Iuzian cleric Rilstone, ruler of Hallorn, after Rilstone loses his demonic allies, and takes his place.

    Planting King Belvor IV of Furyondy initiates the Great Northern Crusade against Iuz’s army. Anti-Iuzian mercenaries from the Bandit Lands flock to his banner.

    587 CY
    Readying Lady Katarina of Walworth leads the Knights of Holy Shielding, with considerable support from Furyondy, back into the Shield Lands. After a series of ferocious battles, Critwall is reclaimed from Iuz and the Shield Landers began to harass Iuz’s forces to the north and east, including those in the Bandit Lands.

    589 CY
    Flocktime Aundurach’s forces manage to capture Earl Reynard of the Tangles. Aundurach executes Reynard and crafts a magical scepter from his bones while declaring himself Earl of the Tangles. Iuz rewards Aundurach by promoting him to Lesser Boneheart status and names Hallorn a regional capital of the Bandit Lands.

    590 CY
    Planting Census takers in a variety of nations overinflate their population figures by as much as 500% in efforts to make their nations appear more populated (and thus better defended) than they really are.

    Flocktime A Reyhu child who had disappeared near Lake Aqal two months previously is found wandering in the forest by elves. After resting, the girl calmly tells tales of “long-faced men who walk on air”. Two parties of Reyhu scouts enter the area near Lake Aqal seeking new allies. Neither party is ever heard from again.

    591 CY
    Needfest Prince Zeech of Redhand marries the daughter of a displaced Johrase noble.

    592 CY
    Coldeven The town of Zelosus, on the road between Rookroost and Kinemeet, is discovered to be a ghost town by passing merchants.

    Growfest Cultists of Tharizdun, for reasons unknown, attempt to assassinate Prince Zeech’s sister, Princess Nadalie.

    Ready’reat Dozens of people in Rookroost go missing throughout the month.

    Suns’ebb While investigating the disappearance of people in Rookroost, a group of adventurers discover that an inmate in the Rookroost Insane Asylum, the former constable of Zelosus, is really Bernel of Hallorn, orchestrator of the Steelbone Meadows massacre of 584 CY. The adventurers slay the deranged cleric before he can unleash a similar fate upon Rookroost.
    In catacombs under Hallorn, the final resting place of Guardian General Hok, who was slain at Steelbone Meadows, is discovered. A cleric friendly to the Warfields raises the general back to life.

    593 CY
    Readying Guardian General Hok begins recruiting for his new Army of the Warfields.

    Coldeven During Iuzian celebrations of the Festival of the Blood-Moon in Ethelmere, a Johrase noble recruits a small army to help him retake Stonehill Fortress from the Iuzians. The attack is successful and the Johrase regain possession of one of their largest castles.

    Planting Caravan guards traveling along the northern edge of the Fellreev Forest report encountering an Iuzian cleric accompanied by a monster they describe as an undead demon.

    Patchwall Guardian General Hok hosts the Great Hunt in the Tangles Forest as a recruiting tool. During the festivities, he is attacked by Gerland, elven druid of the Tangles Forest, but survives.

    Suns’ebb Lesser Boneheart Cranzer is ordered by Iuz to begin creating planar portals in various parts of the Abyss in preparation for Iuz’s attack on Torremor. Cranzer secretly creates a simulacrum and leaves it in charge of Riftcrag while he is gone.

    594 CY
    Flocktime Guardian General Hok, with the help of several powerful adventurers, successfully lays siege to Hallorn. Baron Ulik of Morannon, attending the battle as a “neutral” observer for Prince Zeech, brokers a treaty between Hok and the druid Gerland. The battle lasts less than one day and Lesser Boneheart Aundurach flees to parts unknown. Hallorn becomes the capital of the Warfields and home to Hok’s rebuilt army. Several of Hok’s adventuring allies spend several weeks in the Tangles Forest assisting Gerland with replanting efforts.

    Reaping Mercenaries guarding a merchant wagon bound from Rookroost to Fort Hendricks are attacked by a group of Uroz orcs. Surprisingly, they are rescued by a group of Dazark orcs. When a group of Fanlareshen and Reyhu arrive at the scene, the caravan guards sue for peace and an uneasy truce is agreed upon by the Dazark, Fanlarehen, and Reyhu.

    Patchwall On the 7th, as part of a celebration of the Bellringer’s Feast, Lord Marshall Arus Mortoth (Kerzinen) of Rookroost hosts a Grand Ball in his palace. During the festivities, Graf Demmel Tadurinal of the Midlands attempts to assassinate Mortoth. As the two battle, Greater Boneheart Jumper appears and opens a gate to the Abyss, through which pour dozens of demons. As Tadurinal and Mortoth battle, the Grand Ball’s revelers flee the palace in terror. Tadurinal appears to emerge victorious (in reality, Kerzinen, disguised as Mortoth, slew him and faked his own death, assuming Tadurinal’s identity and discarding Mortoth’s).

    Suns’ebb Gerland, druid of the Tangles Forest, reveals to the Druids of the North that he is protecting a green dragon that is living in the forest.

    595 CY
    Coldeven Adventurers traveling in Redhand report encountering Iuzian clerics accompanied by several creatures that resemble the “demon undead” previously encountered in the Fellreev Forest.
    On Coldeven 21 after receiving orders from Iuz, Prince Zeech orders all of Alhaster’s docks closed to civilian traffic as he orders construction to begin on new war galleys. For several years, Alhaster suffers economically as trade to the city is reduced.
    Planting Baron Horrace of Wormhall tricks a group looking for information on Nerull’s Bane into releasing That Which Slept from its prison near Steelbone Meadows.

    Flocktime Travelers moving past the abandoned town of Zelosus report watching the town fall into a sinkhole. Adventurers who explore the area report finding a portal to Limbo hidden under the ruined city.

    Wealsun The Fanlareshen elves and their Reyhu allies host a trader’s bazaar deep in the Fellreev Forest. To the surprise of many, they invite the Dazark orcs to attend, which the orcs do. The bazaar, whose time and location Xavendra managed to learn, is attacked in a well-coordinated fashion from three sides by Iuzian forces: undead and demons from Fleichshriver from the west, soldiers from Rookroost move up the Artonsamay River from the south, and orcs from Fort Skagund cross the Cold Run River from the east. Most of the Defenders of the Greenkeep are killed as the Iuzians move enmasse through the forest south of the Artonsamay River. The Dazark orcs distinguish themselves as they hold the forces from Fleichshriver at bay. Afterwards, the Fanlareshen and Reyhu enter into a formal alliance with the Dazark.

    Goodmonth Boss Renfus of Stoink and Szek Winvid of Dimre agree to begin normal trade relations under the condition that Dimrites be protected when in Stoink. The increased trade helps both economies.

    Ready’reat Acting on a tip that Xavendra’s scouts had successfully located and entered Nerull’s Bane, adventurers scour the forest to find the mythical city. When they locate it, they discover a battle occurring in the city between forces from the Horned Society and the lich Dahlvier. The adventurers attempt to trap both forces in the mystical city before fleeing.
    A week later, Dahlvier recruits adventurers to help defend Nerull’s Bane from Xavendra’s forces. As a battle rages in the city, the adventurers awaken a large slumbering man named Molaho Khem who leads them from the city. Dahlvier drives the Iuzians from the city and seals the city away in a demi-plane, trapping himself inside the city in the process.

    Suns’ebb Mercenaries guarding a Redhand diplomat traveling from Alhaster to Rookroost report being attacked by a group traveling north from the Shield Lands. Evidence found points to the travelers being cultists of Tharizdun.
    A large armored figure, purported to be that of Molaho Khem, approaches Rookroost from the west and is attacked by the guards of the Funery Gate when he fails to respond to their questions. The giant warrior slays a good number of orcish guards before he is attacked by the city’s hill giant sheriff, whom he decapitates with one stroke of his sword. The strange figure then begins walking south.
    Cranzer returns from the Abyss after having assisted Iuz conquer the Abyssal plane of Torremor. Cranzer visits the Unseelie Realm and strikes a bargain with a powerful fey lord there.

    Needfest During the Feast of Unreason, Cranzer appears flying over Stonehill Fortress. Using mighty magicks, Cranzer damages much of the castle, killing many of the Johrase within. While in the area, Cranzer senses the presence of the portal to Limbo under Zelosus.

    596 CY
    Coldeven As the citizens of Groucester are celebrating the Festival of the Blood-Moon, the monstrous dragon known as That Which Slept attacks, laying waste to much of the city.

    Growfest During the Great Hunt of 596 CY in the Tangles Forest, hosted by Guardian General Hok and the druid Gerland, a sizeable force of evil fey and demons, led by Lesser Boneheart Cranzer, attacks the participants. The demons spread an alchemical concoction over the entire forest that kills plant life, denuding the forest. As Morginstaler, Red Dragon of the Rift, arrives to help Cranzer’s attack, he is enraged to see demons attacking Maurgoroothyx, Green Dragon of the Tangles. When Morginstaler attacks the demons, Maurgoroothyx flees to the Fellreev Forest. During the fighting, both Hok and Gerland are killed by Cranzer but their bodies are recovered by adventurers loyal to Hok. As the soldiers and huntsmen flee, a lone dwarven warrior named Ulfar, cut off from his retreating friends, makes a final stand. Marwald, Mayor of Hallorn, is later pressured into giving Hok’s body to the Horned Society.

    Planting Dimre, believing Xavendra to have broken the Dimre/Iuz treaty after several Iuzian raids crossed the border into Dimre, attacks Marsakeer in a reprisal raid.
    Several dwarves return to the site of Ulfar’s fall, near Borjed’s Lodge in the Tangles Forest. While they are consecrating a statue dedicated to Ulfar’s sacrifice, the ground opens up, revealing tunnels leading to a hidden duergar city. The dwarves return to the surface and begin planning an attack on their hated kin.
    Rhaedrick Avenfear and Gaiyle Markhalla of Rookroost locate and enter Latavius’ Tomb.
    Cranzer secretly makes a simulacrum of Morginstaler.

    Flocktime The strange warrior Molaho Khem is attacked by the orcs of Kinemeet as he approaches the city. The giant warrior single handedly drives the orcs from the city, slaying all who attack him. Molaho Khem then reportedly turns west, disappearing in the plains and leaving a nearly empty city behind.
    Several days later, the Johrase march on Kinemeet only to discover that it is already deserted of its orcish occupiers. The Johrase nobles immediately hold a Tournement of Crowning to determine who their new king will be. While Sir Derf wins the tourney, he abdicates his right to rule in favor of the runner-up, Sir Ramiki Klowentz. When Ramiki accepts the crown, he disappears, the victim of a trap the soul spell previously prepared by Cranzer. The Johrase immediately declare war upon Riftcrag.
    During the dwarven holy days of Harnekia, dwarves from all over the Bandit Lands flock to the site of Ulfar’s fall and attack the duergar city recently discovered under the Tangles. After days of fierce tunnel fighting, during which the duergar are eerily silent, the duergar are driven from the city. The dwarves name their new city Morak’duum.

    Wealsun Greater Boneheart Halga orchestrates a trap that lures several powerful adventurers to the Trallant area. During the battle, the adventurers use a powerful magic item to summon a solar. Halga magically dominates the angel and flees with it to Dorakaa to present to Iuz.

    Brewfest Boss Renfus of Stoink, angry at Lord Bloodhand’s interference with various schemes, has all of the assassins of Temple Grimacing assassinated by members of the Stoink Thieves Guild. While Lord Bloodhand manages to escape, the city reverts fully to the control of Boss Renfus. The worship of Iuz is made a capital crime in Stoink.

    Patchwall Morginstaler, Red Dragon of the Rift, peacefully visits the thorp of Ankheg Springs during Lammastide.
    Molaho Khem arrives in Dahlvier’s County and begins killing the undead and aggressive plant life left behind by the lich.

    Ready’reat Szek Winvid of Dimre dies of a stroke. On his deathbed, he prophesies that a great evil will befall the Bluff Hills area unless the sword Knight’s Herald is taken to Groucester. In addition, he proclaims Osilin Danris (secretly a Palish spy) to be his successor. Osilin is confirmed as the new Szek after the mourning period is over.
    Cranzer travels to the ruined town of Zelosus and locates the portal to Limbo, opening it and traveling through it. In Limbo, Cranzer encourages a large pack of slaadi to follow him back to the Bandit Lands. Once in Zelosus’ ruins, Cranzer steers the slaadi south towards the Johrase.
    A red dragon and a green dragon are spotted flying together high above the Midlands by travelers.

    Suns’ebb Szek Osilin Danris, new leader of Dimre, and Xavendra of Groucester re-sign the Dimre/Iuz treaty of 583 CY. Xavendra, aware that divinations indicate something devastating happening in the Bluff Hills soon, invites the Dimrites to Groucester to aid however they can. At the same time, powerful adventurers locate and enter That Which Slept’s lair, discovering that the creature is linked to Tharizdun. The adventurers suffer heavy casualties and are forced to flee.
    That Which Slept unleashes a massive negative energy burst upon the Bluff Hills. The sword Knight’s Herald releases a countering positive energy burst that protects Groucester from the negative energy blast (while also destroying most of Xavendra’s mindless, corporeal undead). The Bluff Hills become deadlands. Those who survived the blast outside Groucester flee for Rookroost, Marsakeer, Senningford, and Sable Watch.

    597 CY
    Fireseek Adventurers report that the Bluff Hills deadlands are inhabited by grotesque and alien creatures and that Groucester is deserted, its people taken to the plane of Carceri by Xavendra. Evidence is found in Xavendra’s empty manor linking her to the Horned Society.
    Slaadi begin infesting the ruins of Stonehill Fortress.

    Readying A hin recently escaped from Cranzer’s silver mines claims to have seen Duke Gellor alive and well.
    Xavendra appears in Wormhall to demand information about That Which Slept from Baron Horrace. While attempting to convince Horrace to help her, she is attacked by Rhelt Kor of Abbarra and mortally wounded. Xavendra’s consort, Veth, flees with her unconscious body.
    The elven founder of the Hallorn Fencing Academy, seeking information about That Which Slept’s origins and previous emprisonment, travels into Steelbone Meadows and finds Replier, one of the nine Final Word swords made by the god Kelanen. She promptly hides it deep in the Fellreev Forest.
    Travel along the road from Rookroost to Kinemeet grows increasingly more dangerous due to the slaadi infesting Stonehill Fortress.
    The green dragon Maurgoroothyx returns to her pond in the Tangles Forest where she lays a clutch of eggs.

    Coldeven A Johrase noble leads a small army against the slaadi at Stonehill Fortress. After a daylong struggle, most of the slaadi flee north towards Rookroost. The Johrase noble claims Stonehill Fortress as is own and begins cleaning and repairing the castle.
    Prince Zeech orders his vassal Baron Ulik to marry his sister Princess Nadalie. Ulik refuses, threatening to quit the barony if Zeech attempts to force the marriage. Zeech accepts Ulik’s resignation, ordering Ulik to locate a suitable replacement and husband for his sister.

    Growfest Duke Gellor of the Duchy of the Artonsamay receives assurances of military aid from the County of Urnst in exchange for abdicating any future rights he or his progeny may have to their crown.
    Word spreads that Baron Ulik of Morannon will be quitting his post and that he will be hosting a tournement in the summer to determine whom the new baron will be. The announcement does not mention Princess Nadalie.

    Planting Adventurers from all over the Bandit Lands arrive at Morannon Keep to partake in Ulik’s tournament only to discover that the mad baron is not even there. However, Ulik arranged a series of grueling tests and challenges for the contestants. Expecting the most accomplished to win the title of Baron, the contestants brave the challenges, some suffering grievous bodily harm or even death. At the end of the day, it is announced by Ulik’s Senechal that the worst contestant, a dwarven warrior who suffered horrendous luck during the tourney, is the new Baron of Morannon. Much to the dwarf’s surprise, he is forced to wed Prince Zeech’s sister.

    Flocktime Hobgoblin forces from Sarresh cross the Artonsamay River and kidnap the daughter of a local County of Urnst lord. The lord leads a reprisal raid against Sarresh, inflicting heavy casualties against the garrison’s Iuzian leaders. The lord’s father is assassinated by a blackguard of Iuz who had pretended to be a Johrase noble returning from Dyvers. After the battle, the lord learns that his daughter was sacrificed to Iuz days before. After the County force retreats back across the river, an army from Redhand appears and occupies the garrison, as if it had been waiting to do so.
    Rhaedrick Avenfear of Rookroost discovers evidence that paints Elara Mornstar as an Iuzian collaborator and uses it to drive her from the Rookroost Thieves Guild. The evidence also indicates that Graf Tadurinal is really the cambion Kerzinen. Rhaedrick Avenfear becomes the new Guildmaster and immediately declares war against the Iuzians. Rookroost devolves into chaos as fighting rages in the streets.
    Slaadi are reportedly seen lurking in Rookroost’s sewers.
    Gerland the druid discovers that Maurgortoothyx’s blood has a healing effect upon the denuded Tangles Forest. The pair begins traveling the forest, attempting to heal it.
    During the dwarven holy days of Harnekia, the dwarves of Morak’duum discover a small illithid community directly underneath their city and a fierce battle ensues. After days of intense fighting, the illithid flee deeper into the UnderOerth.

    Reaping Duke Gellor leads an attack of County of Urnst forces against Wraithkeep. The attackers are forced to flee that night due to a counter-attack by large numbers of incorporeal undead.

    Patchwall Thieves attempting to loot the Mausoleum in Hallorn report finding a portal to Carceri in the edifice along with evidence linking the occupants, clerics of Nerull, to the Horned Society.

    Ready’reat Guardian General Hok returns to Hallorn, his form altered by several fiendish grafts. Hok openly allies the Warfields with the Horned Society. Cranzer launches a demonic attack against Hallorn that is only stopped when devils begin streaming from the Mausoleum.

    598 CY
    Readying Prince Zeech recalls his sister from Morannon. The Prince is relieved to discover that her marriage to the dwarven baron remained unconsummated. The prince annuls the marriage.

    Coldeven Prince Zeech unveils a new temple to Hextor in Alhaster, reopens Alhaster’s ports for civilian traffic and declares Redhand to be independent of Iuz. Iuzians in the city immediately attack, only to be killed by the general populace. When total strangers help save his sister and her friend from danger, Zeech has an epiphany leading him to beg his sister and Heironeous for forgiveness. Zeech orders the construction of a temple dedicated to Heironeous to be built next to the newly finished temple of Hextor.
    Duke Gellor leads a second attack by County of Urnst forces against Wraithkeep, retreating before night falls.
    Planting An army of Fanlareshen elves, Reyhu humans and Dazark orcs attacks Fort Skagund in the eastern Fellreev Forest. In response, the Iuzian garrison commander opens a gate to the Abyssal layer known as Torremor through which fly dozens, if not hundreds, of nabassu. Skannar Hendricks, leader of the Reyhu, is slain by a monstrous nabassu and his body devoured. The demons rout the attacking army, driving them back across the Cold Run River. The nabassu then kill the orcs of Fort Skagund, animating those they do not eat as ghouls.

    Flocktime A group of adventurers locates the fabled Iron Crown of the Bandit Kingdoms near the Wormcrawl Fissure. They trade it to the Johrase, who plan to give it to their king if he is recovered, in exchange for noble titles.
    Duke Gellor leads a third attack against Wraithkeep. Reinforced by clerics of Lydia from the County of Urnst, the attack is much more successful than the previous two and many of Wraithkeep’s undead are destroyed.

    Wealsun Rhaedrick Avenfear, Guildmaster of the Rookroost Thieves Guild, launches an attack against Kerzinen. The cambion flees back to the Abyss. Elara Mornstar is spotted in Kerzinen’s palace but manages to escape capture. Rhaedrick is named Plar of Rookroost. He immediately makes the worship of Iuz a capital crime.

    Richfest Cranzer summons the surviving forces of Wraithkeep to help defend Riftcrag from the impending Johrase attack. Duke Gellor’s forces harass the undead as they leave. Wraithkeep is razed, its ground consecrated by the priestesses of Lydia.

    Reaping The Johrase, augmented by an infantry regiment from the Warfields, march on Riftcrag and lay siege to that city. During the fighting, Cranzer and Morginstaler keep the main Johrase force at bay despite being engaged by several powerful mercenaries. A Johrase strike team discovers that Cranzer had given Ramiki’s soul gem to a balor in exchange for the demon’s help during the battle. Despite suffering heavy casualties, they dispatch the demon and shatter the soul gem, restoring the Johrase’ missing king. The Johrase return to Kinemeet and present Ramiki with the Iron Crown of the Bandit Kingdoms.
    Goodmonth Duke Gellor orders construction of a new castle near the Artonsamay River. Rhennee congregating at the Great Northern Bend help the new town to prosper and quickly grow.
    Ulik, former Baron of Morannon, unexpectedly returns to Morannon Keep and kicks the new baron out, reclaiming his previous lands and title. Prince Zeech is delighted at the return of his odd vassal.

    599 CY
    The Combination of Free Lords experienced a rare year of peace and quiet as the various kinglets, tyrants, and bandit lords focused on consolidating their holdings and forging new alliances after various auguries and divinitations indicated that the year 600 CY will be a chaotic and conflict-filled year for the region.
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    Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:03 pm  

    Dragon and Dungeon were "100% official content," therefore everything in them is canon. But there can be more than one canon. Most people do distinguish between Paizohawk canon and Living Greyhawk canon, because they're completely independent of each other.
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    aurdraco wrote:
    For the record, I do not consider Age of Worms and other non-LG campaigns set in Greyhawk during 591 to 598 to be canonical, whether they were published in Dragon or Dungeon or not (unless they were written for LG, which I think happened a few times).


    As Rip said, the mags were labeled 100% official content.

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    Living Greyhawk was WOTC's official campaign for Greyhawk, therefore it's canon.


    I'm not certain "official campaign" means the same thing as "official content."
    Did WotC take the same position in regard to its FR & Eberron campaigns? I'm sure there were publications in those campaigns that conflicted with material published by WotC as well.

    It was my understanding, as I was told when LG was in its early days, that any canonical conflicts between LG & established canon were to be regarded as unique to the LG campaign itself, as it was the RPGA's GH campaign. IIRC, this was prompted by an early LG module that showed Greyspace as heliocentic, which conflicts with canon.

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    Also, AoW is not canon because it did not deal with the BK properly. Where was Iuz?


    See "The Prince of Redhand" by Richard Pett. The adventure includes an agent (cleric) of Iuz, Mizen Mitchwillow, iirc.

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    In addition, Austin "Theo" Judd attempted to contact Erik Mona to discuss tying in LG BK stuff with AoW and, iirc, never received a response.


    James Jacobs explains why they didn't coordinate with LG here.

    "Age of Worms makes no attempt to incorporate LG campaign details at all, primarilly because we need to be able to move VERY quickly on adventures and art and elements in Dungeon becasue it's a monthly magazine. We simply don't have the luxury of coordinating Age of Worms adventures with the LG campaign, so there are no intentional ties between the two."

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    No, AoW was a silly campaign, imo, that just happened to be set in the BK. It's no different from any other homebrew campaign, which are never canon unless they were run by Gygax, etc., back in the day.


    Only about 1/3 of AoW took place in the BK. About half took place in place in the Domain of Greyhawk, with the rest in the Amedio Jungle & the Demiplane of Last Resort.

    Also, please see page 156 of Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk, which makes reference to, and includes an NPC from, the AoW campaign. Even if one considers the adventures in Dungeon to be "homebrew," you'd be hard-pressed to say the last GH book published by WotC is not canonical.
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    Quote:
    Only about 1/3 of AoW took place in the BK. About half took place in place in the Domain of Greyhawk, with the rest in the Amedio Jungle & the Demiplane of Last Resort.

    Also, please see page 156 of Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk, which makes reference to, and includes an NPC from, the AoW campaign. Even if one considers the adventures in Dungeon to be "homebrew," you'd be hard-pressed to say the last GH book published by WotC is not canonical.



    I'm sorry, but to take the Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk as cononical, published by a company that has basically tried to kill Greyhawk off, has got to be taken slightly tongue in cheek, IMO.

    Don't get me wrong, I own a signed copy and like it. Where does canon start and end?
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    Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:43 pm  

    Canon begins and ends at the DM's screen, of course, but between 2000 and 2007 the owners of Greyhawk gave the power to determine canon to two groups, Dungeon/Dragon and Living Greyhawk. Both groups used their own discretion to determine internal continuity for the material they produced, but after the demise of the Living Greyhawk Journal they stopped collaborating so much, so two separate continuities developed. Expedition to the Ruins of Greyhawk was written by Paizo editors, so they used the Paizo continuity. Neither Erik Mona, James Jacobs, nor Jason Bulhman ever tried to "kill Greyhawk." Gary Gygax did, in his novel Dance of Demons. I don't think Wizards of the Coast has tried to kill Greyhawk either. They're the company that resurrected Greyhawk after TSR stopped producing new Greyhawk stuff, and WotC published or licensed the publishing of Greyhawk stuff for ten years. They've taken a break, mostly, for now, although the new Tomb of Horrors follows 2e continuity, mostly, and the new Demonomicon mentions the events of Savage Tide. If not publishing Greyhawk for a while constitutes trying to kill Greyhawk, what does keeping it alive for a decade count as? Do they get no credit for that? If cancelling a product line causes everything published before that point to be rendered null and void, then every TSR Greyhawk book is uncanonical too, since TSR cancelled Greyhawk in 1993: Ignoring everything TSR and WotC ever published for Greyhawk doesn't leave you with much.
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    Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:09 am  

    Ooch! That hurt! Thanks Rasgon. Wink
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    Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:29 am  

    Thank you, Rasgon for putting me back in my box. Embarassed

    I honestly support Erik et al and fully appreciate what they have done for us through the years. Yes I jumped in with both feet without thinking. Had a bad day and I'm still a bit bitter about Dungeon and Dragon going electronic.

    And yes, you were quite justified in your response.
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    Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:36 pm  

    That said, an unified timeline would be a really interesting addition to the ghwiki.
    Something in the vein of what they did in the FRWiki.
    Where discrepancies arise, we might put a final word with a poll or something, or just cite both versions in the page.

    Someone volunteers?
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    MToscan wrote:
    That said, an unified timeline would be a really interesting addition to the ghwiki.
    Something in the vein of what they did in the FRWiki.
    Where discrepancies arise, we might put a final word with a poll or something, or just cite both versions in the page.

    Someone volunteers?


    I think a page named "Living Greyhawk Timeline" would be a good idea.

    However, considering the potential size any timeline could get to, I'm thinking individual year pages, like Wikipedia does (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984), may be best, and have them linked from an overview of the century (ie, "591 CY" would be linked from either "500's CY" "6th Century CY," or "501-600 CY"), which in turn would be linked from a page spanning a larger timeframe.

    In such as case, LG events might either appear with a qualifier at the end of the sentence describing the event in parentheses (LG), or under a separate section ("591 CY in the Living Greyhawk Campaign").Ideally, of course, each event would also list the source and page#.
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    BUMP! :Evil Grin:

    The Unofficial Living Greyhawk Bandit Kingdom Summary (BDKR1), by Casey Brown (Canonfire's Audraco, plus some input by Sir Xaris), and the Age of Worms Adventure Path in Dungeon Magazine issues 131-135 (particularly 131 and 135). The first covers the years 591-598 CY, the second probably begins (for Redhand) in late 595 to early 597 CY. The two versions don't mesh perfectly at first sight:

    http://www.canonfire.com/cf/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4260&highlight=

    rasgon wrote:
    Dragon and Dungeon were "100% official content," therefore everything in them is canon. But there can be more than one canon. Most people do distinguish between Paizohawk canon and Living Greyhawk canon, because they're completely independent of each other.


    rasgon wrote:
    Canon begins and ends at the DM's screen, of course, but between 2000 and 2007 the owners of Greyhawk gave the power to determine canon to two groups, Dungeon/Dragon and Living Greyhawk. Both groups used their own discretion to determine internal continuity for the material they produced...


    MToscan wrote:
    That said, an unified timeline would be a really interesting addition to the ghwiki.
    Something in the vein of what they did in the FRWiki.
    Where discrepancies arise, we might put a final word with a poll or something, or just cite both versions in the page.

    Someone volunteers?


    This was one attempt at a timeline:

    http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2gq0o?An-unofficial-history-of-Alhaster

    I'm not just interested in a combined timeline, but in reconciling the NPCs, etc.

    So here's my attempt at a few of the problems:

    Reconciling the Apparent Discrepancies in Quasi-Canon for the Principality of Redhand:

    1) Zeech's wife:

    In the Unofficial Living Greyhawk Bandit Kingdom Summary (BDKR1), p. 69, Zeech marries the daughter of a displaced Johrase noble in very late 591 or very early 592 (depending on whether you consider Needfest to be the last week of the old year or the first week of the new year). But in the Age of Worms path in Dungeon Magazine, she's nowhere to be seen, and the overall palace description notes that it is inhabited by "Zeech (and whoever his current lover may be)".

    Solution: It was probably a political marriage, and it would also not be unprecented for a married ruler to have a public lover. If my understanding of Zeech's portrayal in LG is right, he was bisexual, so take your pick. So, she existed, but was not at the party for some reason. She might not be interested in Zeech's antics. She might not have even lived in Alhaster between 595-597.

    Here's an interpretation of Zeech's wife, Darrisha Blackstone:

    http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2gq0o?An-unofficial-history-of-Alhaster

    2) Zeech's sister:

    BDKR1 used Zeech's sister as a recurring NPC (pp. 15, 43, 48, 69, 73, 74), but she does not appear in AoW.

    Solution: Nadalie was described as "mad" or an "idiot" until cured in 598 (p. 48), and at one point, did not live in Alhaster. So, during the events in AoW, Nadalie existed, she simply wasn't present for the events of AoW.

    3) Elhilbor vs. Lashonna:

    BDKR1 describes Elhilbor as Zeech's "right hand man," but Lashonna seems to fill that role in AoW.

    Solution: In the unoffical timeline (qv), it is assumed that Zeech's father relieved Lashonna of her duties. Perhaps Elhilbor was her replacement. Since that time, Lashonna has returned to the House of Alhaster's service, but her role has evolved. To use current US terminology, Elhilbor seems to be combination of the Attorney General and Director CIA. Lashonna's role seems to be more that of National Security Advisor. As for the party, Elhlibor was busy, Lashonna wasn't. Besides, Lashonna might be a bigger draw... Wink

    4) Hemriss:

    Hemriss is an important figure in AoW (Dungeon 131 and 135), but does not figure in Living Greyhawk.

    Solution: Hemriss is described as leading a band "that enforces the secret will of Prince Zeech (Dungeon, p. 69), so most of her work would have consisted of the "adventures" that the PCs in LG didn't get, and they wouldn't have been publicized.

    5) Death of Zeech's Parents:

    In BDKR1, Zeech was suspected of murdering his parents (p. 65). Dungeon #131 has them dying of the Red Death (Dungeon 131, p. 89).

    First Solution: They died of the Red Death, but Zeech was falsely accused of murdering them.

    Second Solution: They died of the Red Death because Zeech (or someone else) deliberately infected them.

    Third Solution: They were murdered (by Zeech, or someone else) by some means other than the Red Death; the Red Death was merely the cover story that was but out, and which Lord Kilraven accepted (Dungeon #131 puts forth the story of the death of Zeech's parents as a result of the Red Death in the context of Kilraven's service since that time).

    Personally, I like 1 or 2. Zeech's imminent arrest would have not only given him a reason to secede from the Shield Lands, but would have convinved him that doing so was a righteous act; few things are more infuriating than being falsely accused of something (particularly killing your own parents). From there, it would have been a short journey to the vengeful self-righteousness of full-blown Lawful Evil. I'd assume that Lashonna actually did it with the objective of putting someone in charge was more susceptible to her charms; if so, it probably worked better than she could have hoped.

    New Question: Why weren't Zeech's parents raised?

    6) Relationship to the Empire of Iuz:

    Iuz's presence in Alhastrer is a lot stronger in Living Greyhawk than it is in AoW.

    First Solution: Because of Zeech's voluntary surrender, Iuz's touch was a lighter in Redhand, particularly after the Flight of the Fiends forced him to economize his assets.

    Second Solution: The Redhand portions of AoW occurs in late 595 at the earliest, so Iuz's hand in Redhand may already be weakening.

    The two solutions are not mutually exclusive.

    And one observation not related to reconciling canon: It's interesting that both the creators of both Living Greyhawk and the Age of Worms felt the need to redeem Zeech in the end. Confused Question

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    Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:43 pm  

    Great post. And redemption makes for a good story.
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    Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:18 am  

    aurdraco wrote:
    Great post. And redemption makes for a good story.


    -Hmmm... I was curious as to what your response might be. I was ready for a battle. This makes it easier. Of course, amybe someone else will declare war... Laughing Wink

    Any takers for why Zeech's parents weren't raised?

    It might tend to support the "Zeech dunnit" theory, or at least the theory that he didn't care if they died (if he raises dear ole' dad, it sort of prevents his rule of the Viscounty, doesn't it?), but there could be others:

    1) They were too old anyway? If he was 24 at the time, his mother could be over 70, and his father could be even older even without magical help.

    2) No 9th level Cleric to perform "Raise Dead"? Seems unlikely, but who knows what was going on at the time.

    3) A "Do Not Raise" codicil to their Living Will? Wink
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    Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:15 pm  

    I'm looking into Zeech and will get back to you with an opinion. Cool
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    Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:44 pm  

    Maybe he tried but their souls declined the raise?

    And while he may have access to 9th level clerics, maybe they didn't have access to the right material components. Or maybe the clerics were instructed by their gods not to try? Or, in the LG story, maybe the devil that killed them collected their souls, somehow?
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